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Sorry MT I was at a conference all day for Alzheimers. I forgot to check the blog.  LOL

Abortion is against the RC church. The rhythm system is still the method the church uses.  Hate abortion and I don't mind birth control.  However, I would like to know from you slackers how many kids you have.  "PUlling out" as BT so delicately puts it is also against Orthodox Judaism.  "A man is not allowed to spill his seed in vain."  That's the rule.  Man made rules for sure but rule just the same if you choose to follow it.  Of course if you are against abortion you better be against the death penalty.  Violates the same commandment.

How many kids do you slackers have?

Quoted from 612

Sorry MT I just read your post.  Well I apologize if I offended you because I didn't post that to offend you or anyone on this blog.  But this Pope IS taking us backwards.  And it is foolish.  However, despite the fact that I do not agree with many of the things he does, it does not stop me from practicing my faith as a "true" Catholic...whatever that means.  The people on this blog are VERY punitive.  Certainly all in favor of the death penalty--that is not dying naturally.  

And I am much older than most of you here.  Again I ask relative to the birth control question--how many kids do you all have?

Sorry MT it was not my intention to offend you.  Please forgive me...(now you must because that's what Jesus would do)

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Capital Punishment

2266 The State's effort to contain the spread of behaviors injurious to human rights and the fundamental rules of civil coexistence corresponds to the requirement of watching over the common good. Legitimate public authority has the right and duty to inflict penalties commensurate with the gravity of the crime. The primary scope of the penalty is to redress the disorder caused by the offense. When his punishment is voluntarily accepted by the offender, it takes on the value of expiation. Moreover, punishment, in addition to preserving public order and the safety of persons, has a medicinal scope: as far as possible it should contribute to the correction of the offender.[67]

2267 The traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude, presupposing full ascertainment of the identity and responsibility of the offender, recourse to the death penalty, when this is the only practicable way to defend the lives of human beings effectively against the aggressor.
"If, instead, bloodless means are sufficient to defend against the aggressor and to protect the safety of persons, public authority should limit itself to such means, because they better correspond to the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.
"Today, in fact, given the means at the State's disposal to effectively repress crime by rendering inoffensive the one who has committed it, without depriving him definitively of the possibility of redeeming himself, cases of absolute necessity for suppression of the offender 'today ... are very rare, if not practically non-existent.' [68]

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Again I ask relative to the birth control question--how many kids do you all have?

Quoted from DemocraticVoiceOfReason

Personally, I am Pro-Life across the board  -- am opposed to abortion, death penalty, and euthanasia.

I think it is sad (well actually more than sad - outrageous) when so many Roman Catholics who hold
elective public office take public positions that are clearly AGAINST  Catholic Church teaching.   You can't
serve two masters ... decide which is more important holding the elective office or the eternal destination
of your soul.

Quoted from 147

Hold on - twice in one month we agree on something?

Quoted from 612

Sorry MT I was at a conference all day for Alzheimers. I forgot to check the blog.  LOL

Abortion is against the RC church. The rhythm system is still the method the church uses.  Hate abortion and I don't mind birth control.  However, I would like to know from you slackers how many kids you have.  "PUlling out" as BT so delicately puts it is also against Orthodox Judaism.  "A man is not allowed to spill his seed in vain."  That's the rule.  Man made rules for sure but rule just the same if you choose to follow it.  Of course if you are against abortion you better be against the death penalty.  Violates the same commandment.

How many kids do you slackers have?

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Brian C. Anderson
How Catholic Charities Lost Its Soul
You don’t have to be a believer to understand that religious values can uplift the poor. Too bad Catholic Charities USA has lost confidence in the power of those values and has embraced the welfare-state faith.
Winter 2000
As advanced social thinkers rediscover the power of faith-based institutions to rescue the down-and-out by transforming the dysfunctional worldview that often lies at the root of their difficulties, you would think that Catholic Charities USA would be a perfect model to emulate, getting the poor into the mainstream by emphasizing moral values and ethical conduct. But no: rather than trying to promote traditional values and God-fearing behavior, Catholic Charities—and the same could be said about the Association of Jewish Family and Children's Agencies or the Lutheran Services in America—has become over the last three decades an arm of the welfare state, with 65 percent of its $2.3 billion annual budget now flowing from government sources and little that is explicitly religious, or even values-laden, about most of the services its 1,400 member agencies and 46,000 paid employees provide.

Far from being a model for reforming today's welfare-state approach to helping the poor, Catholic Charities USA is one of the nation's most powerful advocates for outworn welfare-state ideas, especially the idea that social and economic forces over which the individual has no control, rather than his own attitudes and behavior, are the reason for poverty. The example of this multibillion dollar charity should serve as a warning to policy makers seeking to privatize the care of the needy that they had better pick and choose prudently: for some of the institutions of civil society have been tainted with the same value-free worldview that has made most government-run poverty efforts a hindrance rather than a help to the poor.

Until the 1960s, Catholic charitable institutions—benevolent societies, hospitals, orphanages, reformatories, and the like—did exemplary work, serving the poor and bringing them into the mainstream of American life. In New York, the tireless philanthropic efforts of Catholic leaders like Archbishop John Hughes during the second half of the nineteenth century so uplifted Gotham's immigrant Irish—at the time America's first underclass—that by the turn of the twentieth century most of them were mainstream American citizens. (See "How Dagger John Saved New York's Irish," Spring 1997.)

Hughes recognized that, though some of the poor were victims of circumstance, many were poor because of self-destructive behavior—sinful behavior, as he had no hesitation in calling it. The goal of charity to such people was to change their values and beliefs. And what was more powerful in working such a transformation than religion? It gives the needy a set of authoritative dos and don'ts, stresses the importance of personal responsibility and the overcoming of personal failings, offers membership in a meaning-rich community, requires responsibility to family, and forgives past transgressions if one makes a fresh start.
lThis vigorously moral approach guided Catholic Charities from its formal inception in 1910, as the records of its yearly meetings make clear. Edwin J. Cooley, a former chief of Catholic Charities' New York City probation bureau, is representative; speaking to the organization's 1926 annual conference, he stressed that juvenile crime sprang from bad habits and dysfunctional values, and that the best way to solve it was to remake those habits and values through religious faith and moral instruction. Though after World War II, a stress on government's responsibility to provide relief to the poor grows louder, and one hears lots more psychological and sociological jargon, talk of "virtue," "character," and "rooting out vice" still dominates the organization's annual proceedings.

But the understanding of poverty as often inseparable from moral and cultural considerations disintegrated in the late 1960s. Swept up in the decade's tumult and encouraged by the modernizing spirit of the second Vatican Council, Catholic Charities rejected its long-standing emphasis on personal responsibility and self-reliance and began to blame capitalist society rather than individual behavior for poverty and crime. It now looked to the welfare state to solve all social problems. Today, through a continual whirlwind of policy statements and lobbying, and by fostering countless activist community organizations, Catholic Charities has become, as Richard John Neuhaus, a priest and editor of the esteemed religious journal First Things, puts it, "a chief apologist for a catastrophically destructive welfare system, and it stands in the way of developing alternatives to help people break out of dependency and take charge of their lives."

Catholic Charities first announced its politicization in a wild-eyed manifesto that invokes such radical sixties icons as Malcolm X, Gloria Steinem, Herbert Marcuse, and—above all—the Marxist-inspired Liberation Theology movement that (to put it crudely) equates Jesus with Che Guevara. Ratified at Catholic Charities' annual meeting in 1972, the so-called Cadre Study totally abandoned any stress on personal responsibility in relation to poverty and other social ills. Instead, it painted America as an unjust, "numb" country, whose oppressive society and closed economy cause people to turn to crime or drugs or prostitution. Moreover, the study asserts, individual acts of charity are useless. We must instead unearth "the root causes of poverty and oppression" and radically reconstruct—"humanize and transform"—the social order to avert social upheaval.

You'll have to read the rest here. it's too long of an article............http://www.city-journal.org/html/10_1_how_catholic_charities.htm

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The pope condemning Catholics for their sex practices??  I think the pope needs to follow the rules as they are written for himself and his priests before he lectures the rest of Catholics about sex.

Do as I say, not as I do?