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~Bush and his flunkies not only said there were WMD's in Iraq, but they said they knew exactly where they were... It was a lie... there never were any WMD's.  
THE BUSH LIE ABOUT the "mushroom cloud" was just that... a LIE... so was the Bush Propaganda about 'aluminum tubes' used for missiles, and the Nuke 'yellowcake' from Niger... also a lie.  NO WMD'S, NONE biological, NONE Nuclear, NONE Chemical.
NOTHING BUT LIES!


Yet he didn't lie about finding WMD's in Iraq to justify the initial lie?  Why didn't the same people that "lied" about WMD's to get us into war not plant WMD's to justify the invasion?  Hmmm...Interesting logic.  Bush was even bad a lying.


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Yet he didn't lie about finding WMD's in Iraq to justify the initial lie?  Why didn't the same people that "lied" about WMD's to get us into war not plant WMD's to justify the invasion?  Hmmm...Interesting logic.  Bush was even bad a lying.


There is nothing more that GWB wanted to find in Iraq, than a WMD... ANY WMD.  Fox Noise would have sent a crew to document and record for all history that BUSH WAS RIGHT...

Remember the Mobile Chemical Labs that were found and shown on TV?
Then it turns out they were actually fertilizer production trucks... and they only added to the embarrassment of the Bush Lies.

Why didn't GWB plant WMD's in Iraq???
Why didn't the president of the united states continue to lie, continue to falsify documents???
Is that your question?
You'd have to ask him.

(My guess...  Bush is as inept at lies as he is at being president)




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Remember the Mobile Chemical Labs that were found and shown on TV?
Then it turns out they were actually fertilizer production trucks... and they only added to the embarrassment of the Bush Lies.
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and the same fertilizer production trucks .. can be used to produce chemical weapons .. so Bush was
NOT lying.


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and the same fertilizer production trucks .. can be used to produce chemical weapons .. so Bush was
NOT lying.


NOPE... That was the NEXT LIE!

Iraqi mobile labs nothing to do with germ warfare, report finds

    * The Observer, Sunday 15 June 2003

An official British investigation into two trailers found in northern Iraq has concluded they are not mobile germ warfare labs, as was claimed by Tony Blair and President George Bush, but were for the production of hydrogen to fill artillery balloons, as the Iraqis have continued to insist.

The conclusion by biological weapons experts working for the British Government is an embarrassment for the Prime Minister, who has claimed that the discovery of the labs proved that Iraq retained weapons of mass destruction and justified the case for going to war against Saddam Hussein.

Instead, a British scientist and biological weapons expert, who has examined the trailers in Iraq, told The Observer last week: 'They are not mobile germ warfare laboratories. You could not use them for making biological weapons. They do not even look like them. They are exactly what the Iraqis said they were - facilities for the production of hydrogen gas to fill balloons.'

The one good thing about lies... is that some people will always believe them... or want to believe them so much that the "TRUTH" doesn't matter to them.
(The Guardian)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jun/15/iraq

And
( U-Tube)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_pwdnL6Em4

7 years later... there are some who still believe the Bush Lies.



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Someone's awfully obsessed with the past - and clearly has no plan for the future.
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Someone's awfully obsessed with the past - and clearly has no plan for the future.


And someone is so embarrassed by the truth that they refuse to acknowledge it.
  Lies make them "feel better"!



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Why didn't GWB plant WMD's in Iraq???
Why didn't the president of the united states continue to lie, continue to falsify documents???
Is that your question?
You'd have to ask him.


Did Bush figure the truth would set him free?  

You're hilarious Box.  Are you able to hold down a job?  

If you can, don't let your employer read these posts.  Unless you work for Moveon.org


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If Bush found wmd's ... he would have justified his invasion... there were none.
I'm waiting for any proof, even at this late date of any of the Bush WMD's.  

Every time Bush would point to WMD's in Iraq, they would turn out to be bogus.
Saying Bush was vindicated, with NO WMD's, no evidence of WMD's, only Conservative Opinion... is pretty lame.

The Truth Will Set you Free:
(The Guardian)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jun/15/iraq

And
( U-Tube)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_pwdnL6Em4


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US forces still in fight at end of combat mission

By LARA JAKES and MAYA ALLERUZZO (AP) – 40 minutes ago

HAWIJA, Iraq — Even as President Barack Obama was announcing the end of combat in Iraq, American soldiers were sealing off a northern village early Wednesday as their Iraqi partners raided houses and arrested dozens of suspected insurgents.

While the Obama administration has dramatically reduced the number of troops and rebranded the mission, the operation in Hawija was a reminder that U.S. forces are still engaged in hunting down and killing al-Qaida militants — and could still have to defend themselves against attacks.

That reality was front and center at a change-of-command ceremony in one of Saddam Hussein's former palaces outside Baghdad that the American military now uses as its headquarters. Officials warned of a tough road ahead as the U.S. moves into the final phase of the 7 1/2-year war.

Of paramount concern is Iraqi leaders' continued bickering, six months after parliamentary elections, over forming a new government — a political impasse that could further endanger stability and fuel a diminished but still dangerous insurgency.

"Iraq still faces a hostile enemy who is determined to hinder progress," Gen. Lloyd Austin, the newly installed commander of the just under 50,000 U.S. troops still in Iraq, told the swelling crowd that was clad in military fatigues and political suits. "Make no mistake, our military forces here and those of the Iraqi nation remain committed to ensuring that our friends in Iraq succeed."

Vice President Joe Biden presided over the gathering at al-Faw palace, Saddam's gaudy former hunting lodge replete with fake marble walls and a huge chandelier made of recycled plastic.

The remaining U.S. forces in Iraq would be "as combat ready, if need be, as any in our military," Biden said, flanked by Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen for the 75-minute ceremony, which also changed the U.S. mission's name from "Operation Iraqi Freedom" to "Operation New Dawn."

Three years ago, about 170,000 U.S. troops were in Iraq. Of those who remain, fewer than 10 percent — or 4,500 — are special forces who will regularly go on raids and capture terrorists, albeit alongside Iraqi troops.

Obama ordered the end of combat missions by Aug. 31 in a step toward a full withdrawal of American forces by the end of next year that was mandated in a U.S.-Iraqi security agreement.

Violence also has declined dramatically since early 2007, when the Pentagon poured tens of thousands more troops into Iraq over a matter of months to quell a Sunni insurgency that had lured the country to the brink of civil war. Additionally, a Sunni revolt against al-Qaida in Iraq and a Shiite militia cease-fire have helped tamp down attacks, although bombings and shootings across Iraq continue on a near-daily basis.

But Iraqi forces are heavily dependent on U.S. firepower, along with helicopters, spy data and other key tools for combating terrorists that they won't be able to supply on their own for years to come.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hwK_CSpBxsNuVUEaDuOwmSSCiqGwD9HVCPLG0

Bolded text = the "surge" Bush ordered and Obama voted against.
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Conservatives need to understand something...
WE LOST THE IRAQ WAR!

Saddam is gone... but other than that objective, every other objective of the war has failed.  
WE LOST... NOW WE GO HOME!


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And so that is all behind us now boxy! It's a new day and a new dawn! Obama has finally accomplished what seemed to be the un-accomplishable!!! The Iraqi people can rest easier now! All Americans can also rest easier now. Terrorism is dead and so are terrorists! We can now finally enter into a world of peace and harmony. The Jews are going to engage in peace talks now too. Finally the Muslims and Jews will find peace. Perhaps obama will be the arbitrator for peace in that area. I think he is the only one that can help bring peace to that region. Look at what he's done for Iraq!

The next will be Afghanistan. Obama will hopefully end the fighting quickly there too. The Afghan government is more than capable of dealing with their own issues just like Iraq! Good for them!!

Just think....no more long security lines at airports. No more homeland security. No more bomb sniffing dogs. No more tapping phone lines or monitoring muslim extremist websites, cause there won't be anymore!!!

It just doesn't or couldn't get any better than this folks!!!


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Every time Bush would point to WMD's in Iraq, they would turn out to be bogus.
Saying Bush was vindicated, with NO WMD's, no evidence of WMD's, only Conservative Opinion... is pretty lame.


Let me slow this down for you Box.

If Bush LIED about WMD's in order to start a war with Iraq(as you claim), then he already KNEW that there were NO WMD's befoe the invaision.  

NOW, if you believe Bush LIED and he knew there were no weapons, WHY DIDN'T BUSH PLANT THE WMD's THAT HE KNEW WERE NOT IN IRAQ?

Box, certainly you can see the illogic of your "Bush lied" assertion.  Bush was able to manipulate CIA intelligence and British Intelligence to go to war, but he wasn't able to bury 55 gallon drums of Anthrax to "discover" and justify the supposed "lie" that got us in the war.


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Cicero... Not only do I think that Bush lied... I also think he is inept.

(The Siena worst presidents poll kind of backs me up on this one) They place Bush 2nd from the bottom in the category 'Intelligence'.

There are historical rules of war, that seem to transcend the changes in warfare through out the years.  One of the rules translates to "believing your own BS.  
"We Will Be Welcomed in Iraq as Liberators"  was one such claim.  There was very little intelligence to support that claim but the Bush administration acted as if it were true, because they WANTED it to be true.  There was little or no planning on how to restore order in post war Iraq, because they never even considered that a major part of the population would NOT welcome us as liberators.
Believing your own BS!

They suspected that there were WMD's even thought the intelligence had little evidence of them existing.  They believed their own BS and acted as if WMD's would be found in abundance, even though their own intel said there were none!
Believing your own BS.



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There is always war and there are always WMD's.....apparently they are called terrorists.......there is no peace....never has been and never will be....even
at the end of a football game every talks about what could have should have etc........


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Box, you are delusional.


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