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See this is what the dems at the county/city level call 'working together'. Unless you are a dem in schenectady county.....you will be left right out in the cold. In the dem's world, you have to 'go along to get along'. God forbid if you don't agree or think independently. Or perhaps even think of the 'taxpayers' first! What a concept, huh?

Thank God that ND came to her senses!!! I think MM just went back to playing games on his game boy!!!!


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I have e-mailed Mr. Martin to ask him to explain his reasoning for even showing up at this meeting, asking him why he changed his vote and requesting that he send me a copy of the e-mail that was distributed to ask for this special meeting.  If and when I receive any of this information, I will post it.


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It doesn't matter 'why' he changed his vote. It will end up not counting once this 'special meeting' is declared 'illegal'.

I'm sure it will be a 'hot topic' at the next meeting!! Bring your sleeping bags!


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Sorry BT just ain't true.  Dems allow independent thinking.  It's the Reps that can't handle it.  If you think independently there--you have to become a Conservative.
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The resolution that was approved at the Special Town Board meeting only allows the town to consider
the retirement incentives.   Since the deadline was August 31 - I think that they will be ok with calling
the meeting on short notice.

Mr. Martin, to his credit, insisted that a section be added to the resolution which requires THE FULL
TOWN BOARD to approve any list of persons eligible.  

So - the town board did NOT approve the incentives .. it just approved a resolution allowing it to
particpate in the incentives IF the full town board can agree (by majority vote) on a list of eligible
persons.  

I reiterate my previously stated respect for Mr. Martin for actually showing up at the meeting and my
grave concern over the absence of two of the other members of the board (to quote from the
M. Night Shyamalan film "The Village") "those we don't speak of".   "Those we don't speak of" took an
oath when they entered town government ..to represent us .. if they opposed the resolution  (and I
respect their views on the matter and their right to oppose the resolution) .. if they opposed the resolution they had a DUTY as OUR REPRESENTATIVES to show up at the meeting, speak against the
resolution, and have their vote  against the resolution publicly recorded.  To do otherwise is
undemocratic and immature.


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So now NDL is called "those we don't speak of." How does the Rotterdam conservative party feel now? Are they cutting her out now that she stood her ground? Or are they backing her up?

Incidentally so far she has proven me wrong by her independence and I am glad to admit it since it is a good thing for the town.


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So now NDL is called "those we don't speak of." How does the Rotterdam conservative party feel now? Are they cutting her out now that she stood her ground? Or are they backing her up?

Incidentally so far she has proven me wrong by her independence and I am glad to admit it since it is a good thing for the town.


Don't forget that GP is among "those we don't speak of", too.

I admire independence but NOT showing up for the meeting was NOT showing independence.  Showing up
and speaking her point of view would have been.


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Quoted from GrahamBonnet
So now NDL is called "those we don't speak of." How does the Rotterdam conservative party feel now? Are they cutting her out now that she stood her ground? Or are they backing her up?

Incidentally so far she has proven me wrong by her independence and I am glad to admit it since it is a good thing for the town.

I have to admit that I still disagree with some of her, earlier in her term, decisions. But now that she has become an independent thinker, she has proved herself to be an advocate for rotterdam!! Party pressure and being beholden to party members does not seem to shake her!  Good for her!! IMHO


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The resolution that was approved at the Special Town Board meeting only allows the town to consider
the retirement incentives.   Since the deadline was August 31 - I think that they will be ok with calling
the meeting on short notice.


So, what you're saying is that since this is something that was really important for us to get done, who cares what the law is???




Mr. Martin, to his credit, insisted that a section be added to the resolution which requires THE FULL
TOWN BOARD to approve any list of persons eligible.  



I would say that it wasn't Mr. Martin who "insisted" that this be thrown in, but I would bet it was a back room deal that didn't happen until about 3:00 P.M. on 8/30 (minutes before the supposed e-mail calling the meeting into effect) where Mr. Godlewski threw him a bone to be able to get it passed...under the circumstances.

So - the town board did NOT approve the incentives .. it just approved a resolution allowing it to
particpate in the incentives IF the full town board can agree (by majority vote) on a list of eligible
persons.  

I reiterate my previously stated respect for Mr. Martin for actually showing up at the meeting and my
grave concern over the absence of two of the other members of the board (to quote from the
M. Night Shyamalan film "The Village") "those we don't speak of".   "Those we don't speak of" took an
oath when they entered town government ..to represent us .. if they opposed the resolution  (and I
respect their views on the matter and their right to oppose the resolution) .. if they opposed the resolution they had a DUTY as OUR REPRESENTATIVES to show up at the meeting, speak against the
resolution, and have their vote  against the resolution publicly recorded.  To do otherwise is
undemocratic and immature.


Personally, I think that what Ms. DiLeva and Mr. Parisi did was the appropriate thing and if there are those "who shall not be named," it should be those that attended this meeting.


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IF the full town board can agree (by majority vote) on a list of eligible
persons.


that would be "three" out of "five"
not "five" out of "five"

so just what is matt going to do vote no based on someones hairstyle, street address, party, age, or amount of payout?

so lets see

tax office
dawn wont consolidate
No
and
no

top secret secretary
yes, cause most secretaries make less than the one we have - just ask Ms. Moneypenny

Highway dept
yes twice becaaaaaause

Longo will take meers' spot for a day and then Longo will retire and the party can seat a party member for less than Longo made   --- this is the real reason for the incentive   -   paint the town blue


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I'm not even sure this is a legal meeting on such short notice...but it appaears that Matt Martin may be having a change of heart.

I spoke with him at length regarding his position on the matter...a resolution that he voted against not once, but twice. He said that
the Supervisor called the meeting...I asked him why they would suddenly have reason to believe that anyone would change their votes,
the only reason they could have for trying this, again. He says he has reviewed the numbers again and that he has identified potential
savings...I asked why our Comptroller doesn't see those non-existent savings...told him that savings are realized only when the positions
are permanently eliminated, which never happens...and even if they were, it would be years before savings occur and those positions can
always be re-created under different titles and carry higher salaries.

Martin assures me that he won't vote for any early retirement that is not cost effective...I told him it is not cost effective to shell out lump
sums of money for time not worked only to turn around and fill those positions again, which we always have...and that Darlene Mullaly will
be the first one in line to collect after less than nine months in Rotterdam masquerading as a "Confidential Secretary". He insists that there
is no risk...I told him that the only way he could guarantee that was to leave the door to this blackhole closed...that to open it will leave
taxpayers vulnerable to this scheme for the rest of the year.

Nicki DiLeva is fit to be tied...she and Gerard Parisi are considering boycotting the meeting...both insisting that they have made their positions
clear right from the beginning and have no intention of changing their votes.

I expect to speak with Martin again tonight and will update you later...


If Matt is taking advice from you .. I will have to have a talk with him.



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Quoted from Kevin March
So, what you're saying is that since this is something that was really important for us to get done, who cares what the law is???
I would say that it wasn't Mr. Martin who "insisted" that this be thrown in, but I would bet it was a back room deal that didn't happen until about 3:00 P.M. on 8/30 (minutes before the supposed e-mail calling the meeting into effect) where Mr. Godlewski threw him a bone to be able to get it passed...under the circumstances.
Personally, I think that what Ms. DiLeva and Mr. Parisi did was the appropriate thing and if there are those "who shall not be named," it should be those that attended this meeting.


Since the law allows for emergencies .. and this was an emergency .. it was perfectly legal.
And I will never concede that it is appropriate for a town board member to "play hookie" from a town board
meeting .. ecspecially if they claim that the reasons for their opposition were in the best interests of the
town.  We elect our leaders to SHOW UP .. STATE THEIR CASE PUBLICLY .. and HAVE THEIR VOTE
COUNTED .. not playing "duck and cover" when the heat gets a little too hot in Town Hall.


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Since the law allows for emergencies .. and this was an emergency .. it was perfectly legal.
And I will never concede that it is appropriate for a town board member to "play hookie" from a town board
meeting .. ecspecially if they claim that the reasons for their opposition were in the best interests of the
town.  We elect our leaders to SHOW UP .. STATE THEIR CASE PUBLICLY .. and HAVE THEIR VOTE
COUNTED .. not playing "duck and cover" when the heat gets a little too hot in Town Hall.


OK, but if that law states that you must give 48 hours notice and you don't, it's illegal.  That's all there is, and all comments were previously made...at the appropriate time.


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Hurry up and pass the law b4 the people find out about it, that looks an awful lot like how they do things in Washington too.
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Hurry up and pass the law b4 the people find out about it, that looks an awful lot like how they do things in Washington too.


this is how the rotterdam town board did it from the day they took office including ND.

BUT NOW, ND appears to be  putting the breaks on and checking facts for herself. I am not totally surprised at MM. He comes with a family history than will surely give him some political advice.

Looks like rotterdam has no choice now but to put the push on for Salamone to fill parisi's seat. Although it now appears that ND can handle herself, it would be easier if she had support! And it looks like rotterdam's only choice is Salamone.


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