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It sure sounds a little one sided to me Box. Maybe the Muslims should start practicing the Golden Rule instead of Jihad.
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It sure sounds a little one sided to me Box. Maybe the Muslims should start practicing the Golden Rule instead of Jihad.


The golden rule??? "The people with the gold, make the rules"... that's how this country got into this mess.

OK Shadow... we'll do it your way.
We'll amend the US Constitution so that if ANY Country restricts religion in their country... then NO ONE OF THAT RELIGION MAY PRACTICE THAT RELIGION IN OUR COUNTRY!

How's that!



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So if I buy a piece of land that I find out later is a sacred American Indian burial ground, and I am planning to build a museum honoring American Pioneers and the Louis and Clark expedition, and the Native American Tribe for which this land is considered sacred makes a plea to me NOT to build it because of the sacred meaning of that land.  I should thumb my nose at them and not understand why this would be insensitive, and say screw you American Indian I can legally build here, you are a bigot for even asking me to not build here.


So if the Indian burial ground IS going to be under your church, then we might make an exception...

But in this case, to get to the Indian Burial Ground, you'd have to pass a bunch of street vendors selling magazines & Pretzels, A strip club, A OTB parlor, A Dunkin Donuts... etc etc etc... and you are blocks away from these businesses further from the Burial Ground.... are you saying that an OTB Parlor SHOULD be allowed, but a Mosque Should NOT???

If this Mosque were two blocks further, you'd still hear the same weeping and sobbing from the Right.  Move it 6 blocks away... nothing changes.  Move it to Tennessee, and you get the same argument.

This is about Religious Bigotry... not location.

It's a disease called Islamophobia.



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The Muslims do the same thing to Isreal over the Gaza strip won't budge on their position and want everything their way they're doing the same thing with the Mosque issue. Saudi Arabia is the country with all the gold as they could buy the USA with all their oil money. I just pray that a radical faction doesn't form in the Mosque after it's built and unleash another catrastrophy on NYC.
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So if the Indian burial ground IS going to be under your church, then we might make an exception...

But in this case, to get to the Indian Burial Ground, you'd have to pass a bunch of street vendors selling magazines & Pretzels, A strip club, A OTB parlor, A Dunkin Donuts... etc etc etc... and you are blocks away from these businesses further from the Burial Ground.... are you saying that an OTB Parlor SHOULD be allowed, but a Mosque Should NOT???

If this Mosque were two blocks further, you'd still hear the same weeping and sobbing from the Right.  Move it 6 blocks away... nothing changes.  Move it to Tennessee, and you get the same argument.

This is about Religious Bigotry... not location.

It's a disease called Islamophobia.



That's a pretty good non answer.  

Again, do you respect the plea of the American Indian?  Or do you build the museum and call those American Indians who oppose the museum AmericanPioneerophobes?



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If I had to look over the top of several buildings... OTB, Porn Shop, Strip Club, Pizza joint... I would feel no responsibility to keep my church further than those businesses from the burial ground.

But as I've posted.  This anti-Muslim hatred isn't just in NYC... It's being pushed by the right everywhere in the USA.


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. I just pray that a radical faction doesn't form in the Mosque after it's built and unleash another catrastrophy on NYC.


Shadow...
You are the definition of Islamophobia.


Islamophobia:
an irrational fear or prejudice towards Islam and Muslims.


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Must not be enough stimulating conversation in Cobleskill - either that or everyone recognizes Mr Troll Obvious.

http://www.cygnusio.com/cgi-bin/gwebbbs_config.pl?noframes;read=132692
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OMG!!! Where do you find the time boxy!!!!!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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Must not be enough stimulating conversation in Cobleskill - either that or everyone recognizes Mr Troll Obvious.


YUP!  You bagged me!



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FBI Arrests Three Men in Terror Plot that Targeted New York
Documents Allege NYPD Informant Went Bad, Tipped Off Subjects to Surveillance

112 comments By BRIAN ROSS, RICHARD ESPOSITO and CLAYTON SANDELL
Sept. 20, 2009
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The FBI arrested three men overnight on charges they lied to federal agents during an investigation of a terror plot against New York City that authorities say was "the real deal."


Authorities arrest three suspects in connection to an alleged terror plot.
Agents in Denver arrested Najibullah Zazi, a 24-year old airport shuttle driver, who authorities say appears to be the ringleader of the alleged plot. Also charged with lying to the FBI was Zazi's father, Mohammed Zazi.

In New York, the FBI arrested the leader of a Queens mosque, Ahmad Afzali, who authorities allege had been a New York police department informant but "went bad" and tipped off Zazi, his father and others to the investigation.

Afzali's alleged double cross compromised the case and led the FBI to move in on the suspects much earlier than they had wanted and led to extreme tensions between the Denver office of the FBI and the NYPD. One law enforcement official said the NYPD had been specifically asked not to reveal the investigation to its informants, but went ahead anyway.
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The world is a dangerous place... I'm glad that there are so many Arab (Muslim) translators and intelligence men and women working with us to help capture the terrorists that mean us harm.

Translators and those that understand the Arab culture are essential to our success.

Thank God ( or Allah) they are on our side.


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Are we all forgetting that the 'powers that be' are very quick to put out terrorism reports when they need something to talk about or change the subject of the country's conversation from lack of jobs and $$
to fear of our enemies(whom ever they choose to be the enemy that week).......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Are we all forgetting that the 'powers that be' are very quick to put out terrorism reports when they need something to talk about or change the subject of the country's conversation from lack of jobs and $$
to fear of our enemies(whom ever they choose to be the enemy that week).......


That was the Bush Administration tactic... Remember,
CODE YELLOW... OH NO!
CODE ORANGE... Kiss your butt goodbye!
Code Red... We're all doomed!



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That was the Bush Administration tactic... Remember,
CODE YELLOW... OH NO!
CODE ORANGE... Kiss your butt goodbye!
Code Red... We're all doomed!



Dont be so tunnel vision......it's a 'class' all politicians take....make a common enemy and ride that wave for awhile.....I am not
discrediting the families or extreme versions of ANY religion....but I refuse to allow leaders to 'make me mad'.......one thing
I have learned from religion----keep your mind your own.......own it and defend it's ground,use it as it is meant to be used, we are
at the top of the food chain for a reason, no matter how barbaric everyone thinks that is, use it......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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