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Box A Rox
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...Islamophobia is prejudice against Islam or Muslims.

The British Runnymede Trust defined Islamophobia as the "dread or hatred of Islam and therefore, to the fear and dislike of all Muslims," stating that it also refers to the practice of discriminating against Muslims by excluding them from the economic, social, and public life of the nation.
It includes the perception that Islam has no values in common with other cultures, is inferior to the West and is a violent political ideology rather than a religion.

In 2008 Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting published a study "Smearcasting, How Islamophobes Spread Bigotry, Fear and Misinformation." It described as bigoted against Islam authors Bruce Bawer and Robert Spencer, television and radio talk show hosts Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck and Michael Savage, political commentators David Horowitz, Alan Dershowitz and Daniel Pipes and televangelist Pat Robertson, among others.

We could add some on this message board to those who attempt to spread Islamophobia.


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Bigotry is alive and well in the USA...
and on this message board!


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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Back to spinning half truths again, most people don't hate Muslims but they sure as heck hate Muslim terrorists and those that support them.
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Is Islamophobia the same as Germanophobia, Japaneseophobia and Italianophobia during the 40's or Koreanophobia during the 50's?  How about Confederateophobia or Unionophobia during the civil war?  Our enemy doesn't fight carrying the flag of a nation or government; they fight under the Islamic flag.  Until moderate Muslims begin to address the fanatical wing of their religion that is actively perusing biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons for the purpose of killing Americans, Americans will continue to be suspicious of those that practice the Muslim faith - and rightfully so.

Just another example of liberals painting the victims of Muslim intolerance(9/11) as being intolerant, by using a clever buzz word like “islamophobia”.  

ALWAYS BLAME AMERICANS FIRST!


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Back to spinning half truths again, most people don't hate Muslims but they sure as heck hate Muslim terrorists and those that support them.


Shadow, on this we agree.
On this board... many who post here HATE MUSLIMS, terrorists or not.


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On this board... many who post here HATE MUSLIMS, terrorists or not.


Nobody categorically HATES MUSLIMS, many sane people just don't let political correctness distort the reality of WHERE the threats to Americans and the infidel come from.  RADICAL MUSLIMS or ISLAMOFACIST.

Now they want to stick their thumb in the people of NYC's eye under the guise of "building bridges" and "legalese".  How come the Muslims are NOT considered intolerant or uncompassionate toward the feelings of American public opinion?  Why do the feelings of Americans have to be set aside in the name of “tolerance” and “compassion”?

Because…

BLAME AMERICANS FIRST!


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Why do the feelings of Americans have to be set aside in the name of “tolerance” and “compassion”?



This issue isn't about "YOUR FEELINGS"... It's about weather the USA actually believes in it's own Constitution that guarantees Religious Freedom.



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Once again the Constitution only guarantees your right to erect a building of any religion that you want not the exact location of where you want to build that building. The left likes to twist the meaning of freedoms as it fits their needs but will try to shut down anyone elses views that differ from theirs.
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This issue isn't about "YOUR FEELINGS"... It's about weather the USA actually believes in it's own Constitution that guarantees Religious Freedom.



Very clever Box.  But I said it before, this is not about religious freedom, it's about where a building is being built.  The Mosque could be Wal-Mart, a Porn Shop, or a Gun Shop that is unpopular to those that live near it.  People have the right to protest the building of anything without being called names for it.  

My feelings aren’t hurt.  But it is very telling of the practitioners of peace to build a Mosque in an area where an overwhelming majority feels inappropriate. That's the signs of a very "understanding" and "compassionate" religion towards others.

Building this Mosque will just do more damage to the image of Muslims in America.


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Personally, I am even opposed to building anything more than a memorial on the actual site of "ground zero".  But since they have decided to go ahead and build the Freedom Tower .. i hope it will be something we can be proud of when it is completed.

I am all for Religious Freedom ... but think it is in poor taste to build a mosque so close to the WTC site ... but I think it will be difficult to block it legally.


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As I posted before there is a Deli, a Knit shop, and even an OTB much closer to the WTC than this mosque. Placing a bet on a horse is acceptable to the memory of this "sacred ground" but a house of prayer is not!

This issue has very little to do with the Muslim Religion and very much to do with the November elections.


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As I posted before there is a Deli, a Knit shop, and even an OTB much closer to the WTC than this mosque. Placing a bet on a horse is acceptable to the memory of this "sacred ground" but a house of prayer is not!

This issue has very little to do with the Muslim Religion and very much to do with the November elections.

How long have these businesses been there (pre or post 9/11)?
BOTH parties politicize everything, so lets not be naive about this.

Legally they can do what they want, but come on, you're telling me the location of this Mosque was not done on purpose?
Obama is in a no-win scenario, although I think it was politically dumb to come out STRONGLY in favor of the Mosque. He could have said "they legally have the right to be there, as guaranteed in our constitution"  and leave it at that, but once again he thinks he is smarter than he really is.


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As I posted before there is a Deli, a Knit shop, and even an OTB much closer to the WTC than this mosque. Placing a bet on a horse is acceptable to the memory of this "sacred ground" but a house of prayer is not!


The people that are responsible for running commercial jet airplanes into the WTC did not do so in the name of Pastrami Sandwiches, Knit mittens, or an 8-6 exacta in the 6th race at Saratoga.  It was done in the name of Martyrdom in the Islamic sense of the word.


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The people that are responsible for running commercial jet airplanes into the WTC did not do so in the name of Pastrami Sandwiches, Knit mittens, or an 8-6 exacta in the 6th race at Saratoga.  It was done in the name of Martyrdom in the Islamic sense of the word.


A very good point!

So if these terrorists were Christians and killed in the name of Christ...
Would you shut down any Christian church being built???
Would you be quoting all the hate scripts in the Christian Bible in justification of your hatred of the Christians???
Or would you do what most intelligent people would do and consider the Terrorists as Terrorists.  Their religion is just an excuse... just as if they had "been killing for Christ".

The problem is terrorism... not religion.  The whole WTC Mosque issue is playing into the hands of the terrorists.


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