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White House proposal would ease FBI access to records of Internet activity
By Ellen Nakashima
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, July 29, 2010

The Obama administration is seeking to make it easier for the FBI to compel companies to turn over records of an individual's Internet activity without a court order if agents deem the information relevant to a terrorism or intelligence investigation.

The administration wants to add just four words -- "electronic communication transactional records" -- to a list of items that the law says the FBI may demand without a judge's approval. Government lawyers say this category of information includes the addresses to which an Internet user sends e-mail; the times and dates e-mail was sent and received; and possibly a user's browser history. It does not include, the lawyers hasten to point out, the "content" of e-mail or other Internet communication.

But what officials portray as a technical clarification designed to remedy a legal ambiguity strikes industry lawyers and privacy advocates as an expansion of the power the government wields through so-called national security letters. These missives, which can be issued by an FBI field office on its own authority, require the recipient to provide the requested information and to keep the request secret. They are the mechanism the government would use to obtain the electronic records.

Stewart A. Baker, a former senior Bush administration Homeland Security official, said the proposed change would broaden the bureau's authority. "It'll be faster and easier to get the data," said Baker, who practices national security and surveillance law. "And for some Internet providers, it'll mean giving a lot more information to the FBI in response to an NSL."

Many Internet service providers have resisted the government's demands to turn over electronic records, arguing that surveillance law as written does not allow them to do so, industry lawyers say. One senior administration government official, who would discuss the proposed change only on condition of anonymity, countered that "most" Internet or e-mail providers do turn over such data.

To critics, the move is another example of an administration retreating from campaign pledges to enhance civil liberties in relation to national security. The proposal is "incredibly bold, given the amount of electronic data the government is already getting," said Michelle Richardson, American Civil Liberties Union legislative counsel.

The critics say its effect would be to greatly expand the amount and type of personal data the government can obtain without a court order. "You're bringing a big category of data -- records reflecting who someone is communicating with in the digital world, Web browsing history and potentially location information -- outside of judicial review," said Michael Sussmann, a Justice Department lawyer under President Bill Clinton who now represents Internet and other firms.
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Here it comes folks! And it's coming a lightning speed! Ya'all better get off your a$$es and stand up for your freedoms....cause they are quickly going down the crapper!!! And shame on all who just sit back and do NOTHING and support these socialists!!!!


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U.S. Wants Broader Internet Wiretap Authority
Published September 27, 2010 | FoxNews.com

The Obama administration is developing plans that would require all Internet-based communication services -- such as encrypted BlackBerry e-mail, Facebook, and Skype -- to be capable of complying with federal wiretap orders, according to a report published Monday.

National security officials and federal law enforcement argue their ability to eavesdrop on terror suspects is increasingly "going dark," The New York Times reported, as more communication takes place via Internet services, rather than by traditional telephone.

The bill, which the White House plans to deliver to Congress next year, would require communication service providers be technically capable of intercepting and decrypting messages, raising serious privacy concerns, the Times said...................>>>>..................>>>>...................http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/27/seeking-expand-internet-wiretaps/
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Many Americans are under the impression that the terrorism threats were beginning to decrease and that the american's were no longer in imminent danger.....no??


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Many Americans are under the impression that the terrorism threats were beginning to decrease and that the american's were no longer in imminent danger.....no??


Silly, it's election season  -  of course there's "threats of terror".

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/homegrown-terror-threat-significant-officails/story?id=11699198
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Silly, it's election season  -  of course there's "threats of terror".

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/homegrown-terror-threat-significant-officails/story?id=11699198


So is this a fact or is it just a bullsh!t liberal media propaganda story to gain more personal control and support the liberal agenda? That's one of the first times I saw a liberal media outlet cry TERRORISM since obama took office.


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So is this a fact or is it just a bullsh!t liberal media propaganda story to gain more personal control and support the liberal agenda? That's one of the first times I saw a liberal media outlet cry TERRORISM since obama took office.


That's the problem - when you cry wolf so many times, nobody knows if it's true or a pipedream
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So is this a fact or is it just a bullsh!t liberal media propaganda story to gain more personal control and support the liberal agenda? That's one of the first times I saw a liberal media outlet cry TERRORISM since obama took office.


Unfortunately,   Mr. Obama did NOT understand that America was in danger from Terrorism until he BECAME
president and was briefed on it ... and probably some staffer handed him and Joe Biden hand him a dictionary to explain the term.

Once the administration accepted that Terrorism was indeed a threat to the USA --- it took a few months to
"shift gears" and explain the terrorism threat to the media.


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Unfortunately,   Mr. Obama did NOT understand that America was in danger from Terrorism until he BECAME
president and was briefed on it ... and probably some staffer handed him and Joe Biden hand him a dictionary to explain the term.

Once the administration accepted that Terrorism was indeed a threat to the USA --- it took a few months to
"shift gears" and explain the terrorism threat to the media.


A FEW months? Um... 20 and counting.  What happened to "hit the ground running"?

He had daily briefings every day, during the run up to the election and after, up to, including, and every day after he was sworn in.  What - he was playing golf maybe during that portion of the briefing?
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A FEW months? Um... 20 and counting.  What happened to "hit the ground running"?

He had daily briefings every day, during the run up to the election and after, up to, including, and every day after he was sworn in.  What - he was playing golf maybe during that portion of the briefing?


They had to have time to figure out how things work, you know, like the Rotterdam Town Board that's getting so much going the right way...  Gee, that's a bunch of new liberals taking a controlling majority in a place they didn't have it before, too.  Ironic.


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A FEW months? Um... 20 and counting.  What happened to "hit the ground running"?

He had daily briefings every day, during the run up to the election and after, up to, including, and every day after he was sworn in.  What - he was playing golf maybe during that portion of the briefing?


EXACTLY!!! Obama can't cry 'ignorance' on this PRIORITY issue! Obama was briefed on Iraq....hence the military pull out date. Obama was briefed on Afgan.....hence another surge. People would be hard pressed to believe that after 20 months, obama is just becoming aware of terrorists threats in our country.


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Obama campaigned for 4 years -- and said that Terrorism wasn't that big of a threat --  it was only AFTER
he took office that he publicly recognized that Terrorism wasn't a threat....  so I figured it was just because
he finally was briefed on the reality of the situation.      
So you folks are suggesting that  Obama KNEW it was threat all along .. and just bad mouth Mr. Bush and
Mr. McCain .. bad mouthed them over the War on Terrorism .. just so he could win an election ???????
I've never heard of a presidential candidate pulling a stunt like that before.    


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Nooooooooooooooo......he just made sure that the issue was not 'out there' for the electorate to see or hear about. And the liberal media obliged him.

When bush was in office, it was plastered in every media outlet daily. Every single person that died, be it civilian or military, was broadcast daily! Obama gets elected and ................you could hear a pin drop.

It was just an orchestrated political move. Remember, obama wanted health care in the forefront....not terrorism.  Well, I guess the obama administration thinks it's time to let the electorate in on our terrorist threats. OR it's just a bullsh!t story to invade even MORE personal rights. It's gotta be one or the other.


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Obama campaigned for 4 years -- and said that Terrorism wasn't that big of a threat --  it was only AFTER
he took office that he publicly recognized that Terrorism wasn't a threat....  so I figured it was just because
he finally was briefed on the reality of the situation.      
So you folks are suggesting that  Obama KNEW it was threat all along .. and just bad mouth Mr. Bush and
Mr. McCain .. bad mouthed them over the War on Terrorism .. just so he could win an election ???????
I've never heard of a presidential candidate pulling a stunt like that before.    


If he didn't believe there was a threat during his campaign, or after the election, he's not as bright as the people that voted for him gave him credit for.

July 2005 London bombings

March 2006 Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, an Iranian-born graduate of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, drives an SUV onto a crowded part of campus, injuring nine.

August 2006 United Kingdom United Kingdom, United States United States: A major anti-terrorist operation by British Police disrupts an alleged bomb plot targeting multiple airplanes bound for the United States flying through Heathrow Airport, near London.

August 2006 An Afghani Muslim hit 19 pedestrians, killing one, with his SUV in the San Francisco Bay area.

December 2006 Federal Agents disrupt Derrick Shareef’s attack on an Illinois shopping mall planned for December 22nd. His intent was to commit “violent jihad” just before Christmas.

May 2007 A group of six radical Islamist men, allegedly plotting to stage an attack on the Fort Dix military base in New Jersey, were arrested by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)

October 2007 Mexican Consulate bombed in NYC

March 4 2008 military recruiting station in Times Square bombed

April 25, 2008 A pipe bomb exploded inside a Federal Express distribution facility in San Diego.

May 2008 Exeter bombing

June 2009 Little Rock, Arkansas Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, an American Muslim opened fire on a U.S. military recruiting office.

Nov 2009 Fort Hood shooting

Dec 25, 2009 Underwear bomber

May 2010 Car bomb in NYC


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2006
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2007
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2008


We've never heard of a lot of the stunts this administration is pulling, until now.
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WASHINGTON – The new head of the Transportation Security Administration say he's giving 10,000 of the agency's employees access to secret intelligence information to better enable them to detect threats and stop terrorists.

John Pistole (PIH'-stohl) told an aviation luncheon that he views TSA as a counterterrorism agency. He said his goal is to get the latest intelligence to all employees who have what he called an "action need" to "inform their judgment and decision-making."

Pistole is a former deputy FBI director who was confirmed by the Senate as TSA administrator in June. He said he begins each day with an intelligence briefing.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100923/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_tsa_secret_clearances
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