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Score a victory for the people, whose first act when they step into this Country is to flip off the legal authority of the US and violate the immigration law.
Cancel the U-haul reservations, you can stay in Arizona, cost the state more in social services, and contribute NOTHING to the income tax base. The Obama administration can continue to ignore enforcement of the existing immigration law and whore themselves out for the Hispanic vote.
A banner day for the USA.


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The american people will take it into their own hands. It appears that eople are not going to sit back anymore.


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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Quoted from bumblethru
The american people will take it into their own hands. It appears that people are not going to sit back anymore.


Sounds like just more White Christian Right Wing Militia talk!  

Conservatives are always shocked at crime... except when they are the ones committing the crimes.  Conservatives consider the US Constitution to be sacred, when it fits their agenda, but consider it a nuisance when they break it's laws.

Definition of Vigilante:
vigilante n. someone who "takes the law into his/her own hands" by trying and/or punishing another person without any legal authority.




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philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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Ooooooooh! How scary!


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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Gee I don't remember committing a crime, the fact remains that if you enter the USA without permission you're breaking the law and the laws should be enforced.
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Obama has deported more illegals this year, than GWB did in any of his years... but we all know that the illegal immigration issue isn't really about immigration... it's about politics.


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I think it's more about the strain placed on the states trying to support many of the illegal immigrants with welfare, health-care, crime, and education that the states can't afford. Just look at one of the states with the highest illegal immigrant population, California, and see how it's working out for them.
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I think it's more about the strain placed on the states trying to support many of the illegal immigrants with welfare, health-care, crime, and education that the states can't afford. Just look at one of the states with the highest illegal immigrant population, California, and see how it's working out for them.


Myth #1: Undocumented immigrants come to the United States to get welfare.
Undocumented men come to the United States almost exclusively to work. In 2003, over 90 percent of undocumented men worked—a rate higher than that for U.S. citizens or legal immigrants (Passel, Capps, and Fix 2004). Undocumented men are younger, less likely to be in school, and less likely to be retired than other men (Capps et al. 2003). Moreover, undocumented immigrants are ineligible for welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, and most other public benefits (Fix, Zimmermann, and Passel 2001).

Myth #6: Undocumented immigrants do not pay taxes.

Undocumented immigrants pay the same real estate taxes—whether they own homes or taxes are passed through to rents—and the same sales and other consumption taxes as everyone else. The majority of state and local costs of schooling and other services are funded by these taxes. Additionally, the U.S. Social Security Administration has estimated that three quarters of undocumented immigrants pay payroll taxes, and that they contribute $6-7 billion in Social Security funds that they will be unable to claim (Porter 2005).
http://www.urban.org/publications/900898.html



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Education

Using the U.S. INS statistics on how many illegal immigrants are residing in each state and the U.S. Dept of Education's current expenditure per pupil by state, the Federation for American Immigration Reform, known for its anti-illegal alien stance, has estimated cost of educating illegal alien students was as follows:[27]
State     Illegal Alien Students
California     $3,220,200,000
Texas     $1,645,400,000
New York     $1,306,300,000
Illinois     $834,000,000
New Jersey     $620,200,000
For all 50 states     $11,919,900,000
Spending for public education of illegal immigrant children in K-12 public education in Minnesota for 2003-2004 was a total of $78.76 million to $118.14 million. [28]
For the same time period, total spending in New Mexico at the state and local levels for illegal immigrant schoolchildren was about $67 million [29]
During April 2006, Standard & Poor's analysts wrote: "Local school districts are estimated to educate 1.8 million undocumented children. At an average annual cost of $7,500 (averages vary by jurisdiction) per student, the cost of providing education to these children is about $11.2 billion."[30]
Immigrants pay more than their share in taxes to fund education. According to the California Immigrant Policy Center immigrants, both legal and illegal, pay approximately $5.2 billion in state income taxes each year; they contribute an additional $4.6 billion in sales taxes. Immigrants in California have a combined federal tax contribution of more than $30 billion annually. In California,the average immigrant-headed household contributes a net $2,679 annually to Social Security, which is $539 more than the average US-born household.[31]
A 2006 study by the Texas Comptroller found that undocumented immigrants produced $1.58 billion in state taxes, far more than what they used in benefits. According to the report, the absence of the estimated 1.4 million undocumented immigrants in Texas in fiscal 2005 would have been a loss to the state's gross state product of $17.7 billion. [32]
A study by the Fiscal Policy Institute concludes that “New York’s immigrants are responsible for $229 billion in economic output in New York State." [33]
[edit]Health care

[edit]Effect on Medicaid
Reuters reported that illegal immigrants, as well as legal immigrants in the country less than five years, generally are not eligible for Medicaid. However, they can get Medicaid coverage for health emergencies if they are in a category of people otherwise eligible, such as children, pregnant women, families with dependent children, elderly or disabled individuals, and meet other requirements. The cost of this emergency care was less than 1% of Medicaid costs in North Carolina from 2001-2004 and the majority was for childbirth and related complications.[34] USA Today reported that "Illegal immigrants can get emergency care through Medicaid, the federal-state program for the poor and people with disabilities. But they can't get non-emergency care unless they pay. They are ineligible for most other public benefits."[1] In 2006, the Oklahoma Health Care Authority estimated that it would spend about $9.7 million on emergency Medicaid services for unauthorized immigrants and that 80 percent of those costs would be for services associated with childbirth.[35]
[edit]Insured vs. Uninsured
The Pew Hispanic Center estimated in 2005 that 59% of the nation's illegal immigrants are uninsured, compared with 25% of legal immigrants and 14% of U.S. citizens. Illegal immigrants represent about 15% of the nation's 47 million uninsured people — and about 30% of the increase since 1980.[1]
[edit]Effect on hospitals
Uncompensated care generates a significant financial burden on hospital emergency departments and cost-shifting to insured and paying patients.[36] Because of the U.S. Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act of 1986 (42 U.S.C. § 1395dd), most hospitals may not refuse anyone treatment for an emergency medical condition because of citizenship, legal status, or ability to pay.
Data on health care costs for illegal immigrants are sketchy because hospitals and community health centers don't ask about patients' legal status. In California, a 2004 study by the Federation for American Immigration Reform put the state's annual cost at $1.4 billion. Similar studies in Colorado and Minnesota in 2005 came up with much smaller estimates: $31 million and $17 million, respectively. Texas estimated its 2006 costs at $1.3 billion. Because most illegal immigrants are relatively young and healthy, they generally don't need as much health care treatment as U.S. citizens. They account for less than 2% of national medical spending.[1]
The Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) continues to bring injured and ill illegal immigrants to hospital emergency rooms without taking financial responsibility for their medical care.[37] Almost $190 million or about 25 percent of the uncompensated costs southwest border county hospitals incurred resulted from emergency medical treatment provided to illegal immigrants.[37]
At least two research studies have been done which attempt to discover the cost of health care for illegal immigrants by asking the illegal immigrants themselves.
A phone survey in which Alexander Ortega and colleagues at the University of California asked illegal immigrants how often they receive medical care reported that illegal immigrants are no more likely to visit the emergency room than native born Americans. [38]
A RAND study concluded that the total federal cost of providing medical expenses for the 78% illegal immigrants without health insurance coverage was $1.1 billion, with immigrants paying $321 million of health care costs out-of-pocket. The study found that illegal immigrants tend to visit physicians less frequently than U.S. citizens because they are younger and because people with chronic health problems are less likely to immigrate.[39][40]
[edit]Contagions and epidemic
To reduce the risk of mortality from infection diseases in low-incidence areas, the main countermeasure has been the screening of immigrants on arrival. Prior to being awarded a green card, legal immigrants over the age of 15 must have a chest x-ray or skin test to check for tuberculosis.[41][42] Illegal immigrants are not screened in this manner.
[edit]State and local welfare costs

Michael D. Antonovich, Los Angeles County Supervisor for the 5th District, announced in August 2009: "Figures from the Department of Public Social Services show that children of illegal aliens in Los Angeles County collected nearly $22 million in welfare and over $26 million in food stamps in June 2009. Projected over a 12 month period, this would exceed $575 million dollars. Annually the cost of illegal immigration to Los Angeles County taxpayers exceeds $1 billion dollars, which includes $350 million for public safety, $400 million for healthcare, and $500 million in welfare and food stamps allocations. Twenty-four percent of the County’s total allotment of welfare and food stamp benefits goes directly to the children of illegal aliens born in the United States." He referred to the costs as "catastrophic" for taxpayers. He estimated that the total cost for illegal immigrants to County taxpayers exceeds $1 billion a year, excluding education.[43].
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