I wonder what PT's "Catholic Social Justice" principles are on gay marriage and homosexuality? That would be an uncomfortable question, wouldn't ya say.
He's better qualified to be a priest in the Catholic church than a representative.
It is easier to just 'hand people their needs' than it is to motivate them to supply their own. And once people learn to supply their own needs......there would be no place for the liberal socialists.
Again....a created sub culture! And we can thank Tonko for playing a small but significant role in helping to create this sub culture that has allowed him to be a career politician.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
I wonder what PT's "Catholic Social Justice" principles are on gay marriage and homosexuality? That would be an uncomfortable question, wouldn't ya say.
He's better qualified to be a priest in the Catholic church than a representative.
HE'S A PHONY!
You will rot in hell for that. You need a priest my friend. What a sad, bitter person you have digressed into. Can I get an AMEN?
I always thought socialists were for the absolute separation of church and state? Of course when it is needed, you can get the Church socialists on board and they can usually be counted to look the other way in the abortion matter, as long as you funnel the money the right way. The leftists that run the American church will countenance any perversion or affront to morality to get snugged up to their political blood brothers in the Democrat party. That, people, is because like all leftists, they are leftists first... and I have no doubt that the priests and witches all agree that Tonko is their man... but like that dead white Scots-Irishman T. Jefferson, I am generally suspicious of the clergy when they try to stick their noses into politics. Catholic social justice? Nahhhh, I don't need ANY social justice, I need a free constitutional republic with limited government, something the immigrant hoards and their sons and daughters basically destroyed over the past century, in a backwards attempt to turn America into a version of what they left behind...
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
I think it is hilarious to take a lecture or a sermon from any contemporary Catholic priest regarding "social justice" or any other form of justice. (That doesn't mean I don't respect certain clergymen and admire their spiritual work, it is just that I know of too many who are satanic communists.) I really have no use for it in my American world view. Although born and raised a Catholic, and still a member of the church as a concept, I find the political leadership of it to be repugnant and far-left bordering on Communistic, tyrannical, and backing government control in all its evil glory. So arguing how Tonko is following "Catholic" teaching or any other form of popery or bowing to the political institution known as "The Church" just makes him even more evil in my book.
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
I always thought socialists were for the absolute separation of church and state? Of course when it is needed, you can get the Church socialists on board and they can usually be counted to look the other way in the abortion matter, as long as you funnel the money the right way. The leftists that run the American church will countenance any perversion or affront to morality to get snugged up to their political blood brothers in the Democrat party. That, people, is because like all leftists, they are leftists first... and I have no doubt that the priests and witches all agree that Tonko is their man... but like that dead white Scots-Irishman T. Jefferson, I am generally suspicious of the clergy when they try to stick their noses into politics. Catholic social justice? Nahhhh, I don't need ANY social justice, I need a free constitutional republic with limited government, something the immigrant hoards and their sons and daughters basically destroyed over the past century, in a backwards attempt to turn America into a version of what they left behind...
Well said!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
4. Protecting human rights--big with Tonko and should be with all of us
Do, human rights include the protection of the unborn? Does the Catholic Church condone abortion? Isn't Paul Tonko pro-choice?
I agree with others posting to this thread. Tonko is a phony.
That said, if the Republicans had any intention of challenging him in the November election, that ship has sailed. Congressional campaigns should have been started 6 months ago. Disappointed that there appear to be no Republicans in the 21st Congressional District who have the interest in and the support for a run.
BT--your response about Catholic social poor doesn't make sense. I am talking about social justice principles. You may not be Catholic so I don't expect you to know them but there are several-- 1. G-d's preferential option for the poor (nothing to do with smoking or drinking soda--it's putting the needs of the poor first 2.Dignity of people--avoiding war--human life being destroyed through abortion or euthanasia 3.Being in community, or family--how you organize the community--economics, law, politics 4. Protecting human rights--big with Tonko and should be with all of us 5. The rights of workers - working with dignity, what about the working poor? 6. You want peace? Work for justice. Being a global citizen 7. Caring for the environment
Tonko subscribes to these principles. I am sure there are more but those are the ones I have taught about.
Are these the only catholic principles that he 'subscribes' to? The ones that win votes? What about the other 'catholic principles'? It appears that maybe he just picks and chooses his 'catholic principles'.
And I think it is a fair question to ask one of our lawmakers......'where does he stand on gay marriage'? Does anyone even know?
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
The seven principles I jotted down for you are Catholic Social Justice principles. There are lots of Catholic teachings. I have no idea what he goes with or not. I just know he is a proponent of Catholic social justice. As far as gay marriage...don't know. That is an equality issue. Abortion??? I suspect PERSONALLY he is against it. However the majority of constituents are probably pro-choice. He should act according to those who elected him don't you think? Catholics don't eat meat on Friday in Lent either but I could care less if Tonko does or not. BTW BT Catholic principles NEVER garner votes. There is still widespread disdain for Catholics. BT look again at the principles I set out. They have to do with social justice not just catholic teaching. You want Catholicism--break out the Baltimore Catechism.
And again I would ask Sunie if she is against the death penalty. Because if you are pro-life than you should be against the death penalty.
TBV-- writing out the word God as G-d is a Jewish custom I have adopted. In Judaism you are not allowed to write out the word because it falls under the commandment of taking the Lord's name in vain. You are not allowed to dishonor the name or erase it. If the name is not written correctly it takes that burden off taking the name to a place that might not be suitable or unclean. The name of G-d is so sacred in Judaism that other names are used to invoke him.
I have worked in religious circles for a long time. I try not to offend the values and priciples of those of varied religious traditions.
First, I don't care if tonko eats meat on friday or not....those are the laws of the catholic church....not GOD's law. However, GOD'S law is very specific on certain issue, such as 'gay marriage'....agree? Since it was boomer who supports tonko because of his 'catholic social principles....I'd like to know if he practices, lives by and campaigns on all of them?
And I guess boomer believes that the 'murderer' is just as innocent as the 'unborn'. I can't believe that anyone in their right mind would even relate the two in the same sentence.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
I don't care what he eats on Friday-he's tax and spend policies are killing us. Wonder how many thousands of jobs have fled this area since Paul Tonko first got elected to the Assembly?
Brad could not be more correct. Instead of wasting time on nonsense we need to organize and find an opponent. Brian McGarry would be great and it's not too late. Anyone would be better. Pro-life, pro-charter schools, pro-tax reform. Yes, the City of Albany is a problem but his endorsement against Mayor Jennings was hardly a brilliant move. People want change and Tonko's constant defense of Obama's idiotic policies is wearing thin.
BT-I NEVER said I supported Tonka for his CATHOLIC views. You are a storyteller and mischief maker. Don't try twisting what I said to get your point across. I don't care if he eats meat on Friday, favors abortion or supports gay marriage. I was trying to explain to those who can't think out of the box WHY he may espouse a certain value. Those of us who are Roman Catholic consider our faith to be ordered by Rome. I certainly hope he uses his head when he votes and votes the way his constituents wants. Right Brad could not be more correct. Because he is usually NEVER correct.
BL and others still don't get the part about Tonko having slapped Jennings in the face with his support of Shawn Morris. Hold on Salami you are in fosr a bumpy ride. Tonko will be running up the steps of the Capitol again next year. Because the Reps are too busy trying to see if people campaign according to their religion. Pathetic!
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It appears that maybe he just picks and chooses his 'catholic principles'.
I don't care what he eats on Friday-he's tax and spend policies are killing us. Wonder how many thousands of jobs have fled this area since Paul Tonko first got elected to the Assembly? 
