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Felipe
February 1, 2010, 1:28pm Report to Moderator
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Felipe, I call them as I see them. I consider myself a conservative. One of the hallmarks of a conservative, in my mind, is honesty.. I don't really care where Amedore stands on abortion--my point is I want to know Amedore seems to be saying 2 different things at the same time. I'm not comparable to the NNTP: I haven't primaried Amedore, haven't created a fake party to run against Amedore, and I haven't thrown my friends to the wolves. I certainly have no intentions of becoming a democrat for Angelo. Is it really that absurd a request to expect my assemblyman to have a clear message? If he's unclear on something like this, which other issues does Amedore allow the political wind to direct his view?


Greeny ~ unless you are considering a primary against Amedore ~ I am confused as to why you would try to publicly out the guy or discredit his conservative leanings?  

It's because exactly what you said ~ you "don't really care where Amedore stands on abortion" ~ you are just trying to cause problems for a GOP elected Assemblyman.  Why?  It's simple ~ because you are bitter and have resorted to try and win stature back by blogging ~ how frick'n sad.

You really need to get out of the way and let leaders lead ~ and if you're not Tom ~ then get out of his way and let him fix the party.  How are you in the way?  Your mentality of tearing down elected Republicans who the PEOPLE put in office!

One last thing ~ your post seems to intimate an aggression towards one individual on the NNTP ticket ~ IF he did ALL that you claim ~ then he just won my support FOREVER!  Why?  Because I can't imagine one person could do all that and the NNTP gets 20% of the vote first time out!  Just imagine what HE could do on his next go around.



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Felipe
February 1, 2010, 1:29pm Report to Moderator
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Just in case anyone was wondering ~ I do not give Mertz that kind of credit.  Was he part of it?  Sure ~ but he was the last guy to cross the finish line.
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Felipe, you obviously aren't very observant. I have been hard on Mertz, I've recently accused Brad of violating campaign finance regulations, and I have been critical of O'connor in the past. I am not out to get Mertz. And, I am certainly not out  to get Amedore. If you look at my past posts, you will see that I like the guy. I only want answers. I want to know what the views are of the candidates for public office. If you have a problem with that, I'd suggest you think about which one of is wrong. Me? Because I won't blindly vote for someone with an (R) after their name, without knowing what they believe in. Or you? Because you apparently think that to be a "good republican" I have to vote for who the committee puts on the ballot. I am not Tom, I am not Jerry. I do my own thing. In the words of Shakespeare: "To thine own self be true." I am true to myself and no one else. I want to make sure that the people I vote for are also true to themselves. If that is wrong, I don't want to be right.
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Felipe, you obviously aren't very observant. I have been hard on Mertz, I've recently accused Brad of violating campaign finance regulations, and I have been critical of O'connor in the past. I am not out to get Mertz. And, I am certainly not out  to get Amedore. If you look at my past posts, you will see that I like the guy. I only want answers. I want to know what the views are of the candidates for public office. If you have a problem with that, I'd suggest you think about which one of is wrong. Me? Because I won't blindly vote for someone with an (R) after their name, without knowing what they believe in. Or you? Because you apparently think that to be a "good republican" I have to vote for who the committee puts on the ballot. I am not Tom, I am not Jerry. I do my own thing. In the words of Shakespeare: "To thine own self be true." I am true to myself and no one else. I want to make sure that the people I vote for are also true to themselves. If that is wrong, I don't want to be right.


Is this still all about amedore and the abortion thing? Like come on......Do you have conservative values and ideology? Do you think amedore IS a conservative? OR....would you rather see a liberal socialist democrat in that seat? Is your decision going to be based on 'roe vs wade'???

Cause guess what? If you are a conservative your only choices may end  up  being an amedore OR a liberal socialist democrat. Pick your poison!





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trustbutverify
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bumble, I think GL made it clear that he wants to know Amedore's position to see if he lives (and votes) based on his views and personal beliefs, or on what's convenient.
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Thank you TBV apparently you get it. I already said I don't care what Amedore's position is. I just think that he should be making it clear what his position is on all the issues and not acting in ways that seem to contradict those views. Though I don't think that the abortion issue should affect voting for him, there are other issues that matter and if he contradicts himself on issues that are not deal-breakers, will he do the same on deal-breaker issues?
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BT-- "Do you think amedore IS a conservative? OR....would you rather see a liberal socialist democrat in that seat?"  I would rather see a liberal socialist democrat.  At least they can look at all sides of the issue.  And I DON"T believe in abortion as a birth control method. I don't believe in the death penalty either.
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It was pointed out to me that Mr. Amedore's Facebook page lists him as a fan of the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists. This organization states that is purpose is for ensuring protection of female health rights. Sounds good. But, one of their statements is: "the availability of safe, legal abortion remains of vital importance to the health of women."

Isn't this the man that campaigned on the platform that he was a deeply religious conservative? I think Mr. Amedore owes some answers.


1. a deeply religious conservative is all about the personal (very very personal) boundaries a person uses for themselves
2. to assume someone's religion is all they are, is leaving them inhuman, that is what the pharisees did
3. he's not talking out both sides, just proving that it is a non-issue, not legal or illegal and like anything else if folks want it they will find it, along with clean syringes

at this point in my life personally I would agree with abortion for myself, 15years ago I would have disagreed, 20years ago I would have agreed---of course the conversation
with my significant other would take place, as it is not just theirs/my choice(as evidenced by my very very very personal religious beliefs)


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

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bumble, I think GL made it clear that he wants to know Amedore's position to see if he lives (and votes) based on his views and personal beliefs, or on what's convenient.


Call or email him and ask him. Simple!



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In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


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trustbutverify
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And until I get the answer, is it so terrible to discuss it on this board?  If everything else were done in such a way, there would be no need for a discussion board.
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Sunnie57
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I don't get it...GL didn't say Amedore was AGAINST abortion, or FOR it.  He simply said Amedore owes us answers...don't you agree, Bumblethru?  Don't you want to know where your rep stands on abortion?


I'd like to know how they all stand on the life issue, and all issues.

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alleykat
February 2, 2010, 8:13am Report to Moderator
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Senders,
You make a good point although I am not sure you wanted to make that point.  When you say state how your mind has changed over the years from pro-choice to pro life to pro choice and back again.  A very important point and that is as we continue to evolve our philosophies and lived experience continue to change.  Zero tolerance in schools is ok until it is MY kid.  Hard to make these hard and fast decisions about some issues because they continue to change us.
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Attention All potential judicial candidates! New opening in Family Court! Forget about lowly town traffic court.
     Funny how the Gazetto interviewed only Brian Quail for potential candidates.  Others were too busy blogging?
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Senders,
You make a good point although I am not sure you wanted to make that point.  When you say state how your mind has changed over the years from pro-choice to pro life to pro choice and back again.  A very important point and that is as we continue to evolve our philosophies and lived experience continue to change.  Zero tolerance in schools is ok until it is MY kid.  Hard to make these hard and fast decisions about some issues because they continue to change us.


you are slightly off my mark.....I didn't change from pro-life to pro-choice.....I was ALWAYS pro-choice and THAT is why I used my mind and THAT is why
it doesn't even belong in the government's hands...legal or illegal....it just is that personal.......


having choice IS life.....and life starts long before we choose/not abortion....it starts with sex/drugs/rock and roll.......I am for pro-life....

the lingo used by the masses to coin a thought into something simple ruins our minds and takes our spirits......that is how the government gets control of things.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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I didn't change from pro-life to pro-choice.....I was ALWAYS pro-choice and THAT is why I used my mind and THAT is why
it doesn't even belong in the government's hands...legal or illegal....it just is that personal.......


having choice IS life.....and life starts long before we choose/not abortion....it starts with sex/drugs/rock and roll.......I am for pro-life....


How do you take both sides of an issue in one post??

Let me see if I can get you to choose a side to the abortion issue.  It's pretty cut and dry.

Do you believe the an individual(expecting mother) has the right to terminate the life(living fetus) guaranteed to all Americans under the Constitution?  OR... Do you believe the U.S. Constitution protect the rights of the unborn living fetus from pre meditated murder?


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