Passengers help foil attack on Detroit-bound plane A glow, and then smoke: Passengers help foil attempted terror attack on Detroit-bound flight
By JIM IRWIN, Associated Press Last updated: 9:00 a.m., Saturday, December 26, 2009
ROMULUS, Mich. -- An attempted terrorist attack on a Christmas Day flight began with a pop and a puff of smoke -- sending passengers scrambling to subdue a Nigerian man who claimed to be acting on orders from al-Qaida to blow up the airliner, officials and travelers said. The commotion began as Northwest Airlines Flight 253, carrying 278 passengers and 11 crew members from Amsterdam, prepared to land in Detroit just before noon Friday. Travelers said they smelled smoke, saw a glow, and heard what sounded like firecrackers. At least one person climbed over others and jumped on the man, who officials say was trying to ignite an explosive device. "It sounded like a firecracker in a pillowcase," said Peter Smith, a passenger from the Netherlands. "First there was a pop, and then (there) was smoke."
Smith said one passenger, sitting opposite the man, climbed over passengers, went across the aisle and tried to restrain the man. The heroic passenger appeared to have been burned.
Afterward, the suspect was taken to a front-row seat with his pants cut off and his legs burned. Multiple law enforcement officials also said the man appeared badly burned on his legs, indicating the explosive was strapped there. The components were apparently mixed in-flight and included a powdery substance, multiple law enforcement and counterterrorism officials said.
I am sure that this really didn't happen since the President went out and apologized to the world for how bad we have been for 200 years and that made us all be happy and loving towards one another and most importantly it has healed the rifts and divisions that have been caused by America throughout the world. So until they show me proof, I will assume this was just a man-made near disaster (and a possible violation of law), not an attack made against Americans on American soil by a foreigner who came here with the explicit purpose of causing mayhem and making war on us. I also hope those vigilantes on the plane read the man his rights before they attempted to intercede in his personal business and assaulted him.
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
Ft Hood massacre 12 dead 31 wounded Northwest Airlines Flight 253, carrying 278 passengers-attempted terror attack
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Clinton: New team not using 'war on terror' term THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) — Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton says the Obama administration has indeed abandoned the term "global war on terror." The top U.S. diplomat told reporters Tuesday that the Obama administration has quit using that line to describe the effort to fight terrorism around the world.
"The administration has stopped using the phrase and I think that speaks for itself," Clinton said.
Clinton spoke as she headed to Europe for a week of diplomatic meetings. The phrase "war on terror" is widely disliked in Europe and elsewhere overseas, where even close U.S. allies suggested it was overly militaristic and perhaps counterproductive.http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-03-30-global-war_N.htm
Thank God this administration stop using the phrase 'global war on terror'. As you can see, if you take the phrase out of the public vernacular, the problem will cease to exist.
Afterward, the suspect was taken to a front-row seat with his pants cut off and his legs burned. Multiple law enforcement officials also said the man appeared badly burned on his legs, indicating the explosive was strapped there.
Law enforcement could spray alcohol on his burns every hour or so -
Afterward, the suspect was taken to a front-row seat with his pants cut off and his legs burned. Multiple law enforcement officials also said the man appeared badly burned on his legs, indicating the explosive was strapped there.
Law enforcement could spray alcohol on his burns every hour or so -
nah,,,,,Montreal Steak Seasoning.....we do want good global relations dont we.....let's make it a flavored 'international' incident.....
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
I am sure that this really didn't happen since the President went out and apologized to the world for how bad we have been for 200 years and that made us all be happy and loving towards one another and most importantly it has healed the rifts and divisions that have been caused by America throughout the world. So until they show me proof, I will assume this was just a man-made near disaster (and a possible violation of law), not an attack made against Americans on American soil by a foreigner who came here with the explicit purpose of causing mayhem and making war on us. I also hope those vigilantes on the plane read the man his rights before they attempted to intercede in his personal business and assaulted him.
I really don't think obama has a clue. He clearly is never in the whitehouse. It appears that his cabinet is running the show. Clearly not him! Like I've said before....he is way over his head in washington. He should have stayed in chicago where political corruption is the status quo.
Perhaps obama can have a 'beer summit' for this guy so they can 'talk it over'! What a joke!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
Seven Things Wrong With The Anti-Terrorism Policies of the TSA Posted by Socrates (Profile) Monday, December 28th at 12:14PM EST
There are several fundamental problems with the way the United States Transportation Safety Administration combats terrorism. These have their roots in fighting the war for the freedom of mankind as a public relations problem. Too often we take a security theater approach, apparently in an effort to reassure the public that everything is fine and the system is working. Meanwhile, things may or may not be fine. Below the fold are my seven complaints against the TSA.
We are treating the War on Terror as a war on terror, and not a defense against jihad. We’ve made the decision that naming jihad as the enemy would give it an enemy. There is also a strong current of political correctness running through the debate. Some will now call me names, as if acknowledging that for religious reasons some people hate our culture makes me the bad one.
Because we’re fighting terror, we identify tactics we dislike, and not the tacticians. This means that as long as the enemy can fit within the rules we define for legitimate users of our system, common sense gives us no probable cause to investigate further. In scrupulously avoiding the use of “profiling”, we ignore things we should not. Further, to avoid insulting a subset of legitimate users, we end up treating everyone as a suspect.
We publicize each new attack and react to it, successful or not, leading both the public and the enemy to believe that such attacks are more common and more successful than they actually are.
The controls we enact are in reaction to each new attack, rather than against all such attacks. This will lead to the eventual crippling of the enforcement system, as both its legitimate users and its enforcers become overburdened. Each new rule gives a hint to the attacker of what to try next.
The rationale for a security control must be clear or the public will reject the control — one way or another. This is called psychological acceptability. An unacceptable control, such as too low a speed limit, will be ignored or will cause the public to find some clever means around the control. The key is that the public must perceive that the control offers enough protection to justify its use.
Instituting controls to win the battle for perception doesn’t work. The only policy goal it achieves is a false sense of security. We believe that if following the rules is difficult for legitimate users, it must be more so for the enemy. In fact, the opposite may be true. Warning everyone what will be searched when boarding a plane, for instance, tells the enemy what not to bring along.
A complex apparatus with a dense set of confusing rules can result in security through obscurity, which is to say, no security. Those enforcing and following the rules are led to believe that because of the hassle, no one could circumvent the rules. Someone not concerned with following the rules may find a way around them that those concerned with their minutiae miss or discount.
I’m sure there are other problems with the TSA and its approach to airline security. I just had to offer these.
Ft Hood massacre 12 dead 31 wounded Northwest Airlines Flight 253, carrying 278 passengers-attempted terror attack
Thank God this administration stop using the phrase 'global war on terror'. As you can see, if you take the phrase out of the public vernacular, the problem will cease to exist.
It took time to figure out that - ' declaring war ' on anything doest pack the punch it used to and has been inappropriately attached to battles that will go on for ever- war on drugs-war on fat- war on cancer-
It took time to figure out that - ' declaring war ' on anything doest pack the punch it used to and has been inappropriately attached to battles that will go on for ever- war on drugs-war on fat- war on cancer-
Using your logic, declaring war on anything is futile. Seeing how civilizations have been at war with each other since the beginning of civilizations. What was the point of going to war with the Germans in WWI, since 30 short years later we just went to war with them again? Oh yeah,,,that whole not wanting to live under Nazi rule thing and preserving American sovereignty.
The difference between your examples is that drugs, fat, and cancer are not afflictions caused by an ideological belief system taught by governments and religious institutions. Islamic terrorist and terrorism are. If you haven't realized that over the past 15 years, it makes me wonder what parallel world you live in.
I'm glad to see you've come to grips of living in a world where Muslims strap bombs to themselves to blow up and kill the innocent "infidels".
To you, Muslim terrorist are kinda like the herpes to Judeo-Christian Civilization... Once ya got'em, ya got'em for life. You take the Blistex approach, treat it after the flare up.
Cicero what are you talking about? Drugs and cancer are not caused by an ideologic belief system and herpes is? Nobody was ever able to wrap their head around a "war on terror." Same thing as Johnson declaring the war on poverty. That issue is with us more than it was then.
Cicero what are you talking about? Drugs and cancer are not caused by an ideologic belief system and herpes is?
I used herpes metaphorically to describe sombody's philosophy toward Islamic terrorism. Please read in context.
Drug Addiction, Cancer, and Obesity in most cases are caused by personal life choices, lifestyle or genetics. ISLAMIC TERRORISM IS NOT! Just because I choose to board a plane, I am not conceding to the fact that I may get blown up by an Islamic TERRORIST.
If I choose to smoke or chew tobacco, over eat, or eat fast food, or smoke crack, then I am the on who caused me to become a drug addict, obese, or increase my chances for cancer. Declaring war on drugs, fat, or cancer for the most part is a war on influencing personal choices with information. I have somewhat control over these thing. I don't have control over an Islamic terrorist blowing up Crossgates Mall while I'm enjoying a beer at Pizzeria Uno.
Terrorism is terrorism no matter WHO does it. You seem to indict ALL Muslims by your statement. In essence you do the same thing the fundamentalists in the Middle East do--indict a whole people. Do you have any control over an American terrorist? Just look at Oklahoma City--a military boy causing the tragedy. I lost a friend who was blown up on a bus in Jerusalem and my children's friend Melina Hudson was killed on the Pan Am flight. Crazy is crazy. Fundamentalists of any kind are reprehensible. War on terror--concept just doesn't work
Terrorism is terrorism no matter WHO does it. You seem to indict ALL Muslims by your statement. In essence you do the same thing the fundamentalists in the Middle East do--indict a whole people. Do you have any control over an American terrorist? Just look at Oklahoma City--a military boy causing the tragedy.
Oh please stop equating Timothy Mcveigh with Islamic terrorist who are trained and funded by nation states like Iran to kill the infidel, Jew and Christian alike, and wipe Israel off the map. As far as I know, neither the American government or major religious organizations funded Tim Mcveigh with millions of dollars to commit his act.
You ask, do I have control over American terrorist? I will refer to Janet Reno and Waco Texas as an example of American government response to a perceived fundamentalist threat. Oh yeah, and Tim Mcveigh was executed. Please give me an example of exported American fundamentalist terrorism. We see the Clinton Administration had no trouble dealing swiftly with home grown Christian fundamentalist terror, huh?
All Muslims are not terrorist, but unfortunately organized efforts by Al Qaeda, Hamas, and other jihadist groups on American interests around the world have been committed by Muslims. I will not fall for your political correctness, of making the exception the rule.
Whoaaaaaaaa Cicero. I wasn't looking for a fight just playing devil's advocate a bit. McVeigh was a terrorist. I don't care if the Salvation Army funded him. He committed a terrorist act. Look I voted for Bush first time out. Yeah Clinton snuffed out McVeigh. I don't advocate for the death penalty either. I know David Kaczynski. Used to live across the street from me. Don't think death penalty does anything to deter crime. Political correctness was not even in my thoughts at the posting. And you are right--not all Muslims are terrorists and it does seem these attacks have all been led by Muslims. But I think Ft. Hood was an isloated nut job and I think this Nigerian fellow was screwed up too. Same reasons kids join gangs. They're isolated and lonely and like the camaraderie and belonging to a group. Yup you're right. Just offering a different side to the argument Bro.
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