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The liberals don't have a social norm. It is an 'anything goes' agenda.

This country is clearly divided between the libs and cons. The libs approve of abortion (killing babies), porn, gay marriage, legalize pot and government programs (handouts) aka BIG GOVERNMENT. All in the name of  'Almighty government'.

The cons approve of pro-life(respect for life), against porn, marriage between a man and a woman, against legalization of pot, personal responsibility, personal accountability, if ya wanna eat, ya gotta work, no handouts and LESS GOVERNMENT! All in the name of 'Almighty God'.

Now they are both clearly BLACK AND WHITE in comparison. There are definitely NO shades of gray here!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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I'm serious...Why would you, a liberal, tell them to knock that crap off?  



Depends- does this happen in West Virginia ?


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just as I suspected.


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The liberals don't have a social norm. It is an 'anything goes' agenda.

This country is clearly divided between the libs and cons. The libs approve of abortion (killing babies), porn, gay marriage, legalize pot and government programs (handouts) aka BIG GOVERNMENT. All in the name of  'Almighty government'.

The cons approve of pro-life(respect for life), against porn, marriage between a man and a woman, against legalization of pot, personal responsibility, personal accountability, if ya wanna eat, ya gotta work, no handouts and LESS GOVERNMENT! All in the name of 'Almighty God'.

Now they are both clearly BLACK AND WHITE in comparison. There are definitely NO shades of gray here!


You forgot stem cell research


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Do you believe in any social norms?  How about this?

A brother and sister go away together on vacation in France.  While in France, they rent a one bed hotel room.  One night they start becoming intament and make the decision to have intercourse.  They take all the precautions, the brother wears a condom; the sister takes birth control, to make sure they don't have a baby.  They both decided that they would never do that again, but both felt that it strengthened their relationship.  

In your full spectrum of color, where does this fall?


I just threw up a little in my mouth...



I don't spell check!  Sorry...
If you include "No offense" in a statement, chances are, your statement is offensive.
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I just threw up a little in my mouth...



No problem with the two men scenario?


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...It's a separation of Church and State NOT a separation of Church FROM State


the only failing is that of the country's soul....of which it is the personal responsibility of each person to quietly walk the walk
and talk the talk---spending ALOT of time on the mountain ALONE......

one can beat 'the slaves' only for so long before a psuedo Moses is erected again whether it be through politics or the
Lakeview church on TV........

the soul of the country cannot be legislated.......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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No problem with the two men scenario?


nope


I don't spell check!  Sorry...
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The liberals don't have a social norm. It is an 'anything goes' agenda.

This country is clearly divided between the libs and cons. The libs approve of abortion (killing babies), porn, gay marriage, legalize pot and government programs (handouts) aka BIG GOVERNMENT. All in the name of  'Almighty government'.

The cons approve of pro-life(respect for life), against porn, marriage between a man and a woman, against legalization of pot, personal responsibility, personal accountability, if ya wanna eat, ya gotta work, no handouts and LESS GOVERNMENT! All in the name of 'Almighty God'.

Now they are both clearly BLACK AND WHITE in comparison. There are definitely NO shades of gray here!


Firstly Cicero immediately starts with some pretty freaky scenarios- whats up with that ?

Secondly Mr Bumble has the temerity to suggest that your political conservative AGENDA is somehow more moral than my moral and spiritual perspective- and you have the nerve to say what? I don't have a conscience ?  I most certainly have values - not as cheezy and shallow as yours appear to be-

- I have been self employed my whole life- no hand outs ever- I am what is called an entrepreneur- some one with ambition- a trait not found easily in your neighborhood-
-After explaining to your daughter or relative your position on abortion - they decide to have one anyhow- You kick her out of the house I'm sure-
-Your son our daughter is gay- I'm sure you throw them out too- thank fully Dick Chaney realized it really is a personal decision-

We need to rethink our position on REGULATION  of all drugs not only pot but heroin as well- dont you realize that Afghanistan is growing the poppies that make the heroin that is sold to the US - then they use the money to buy bullets and guns to kill us ?


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Firstly Cicero immediately starts with some pretty freaky scenarios- whats up with that ?


I wouldn't call them freaky...I can confidently and definitively state my position that I believe both homosexuality and incest are unhealthy behaviors.  I  wouldn't advocate legislation outlawing these behaviors, but I certainly wouldn't allow public schools to push these behaviors on our impressionable youth as if they are healthy behaviors.  And my point was with both of the scenarios was, you could not provide a logical reason why the incest example was any more or less of an acceptable behavior than the homosexual example.  Too bad you weren't willing to play along.

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-After explaining to your daughter or relative your position on abortion - they decide to have one anyhow- You kick her out of the house I'm sure-
-Your son our daughter is gay- I'm sure you throw them out too- thank fully Dick Chaney realized it really is a personal decision-


This is where your argument goes off the rails.  Most conservative don't want to legislate yours or anybody else's lives.  Conservatives like me would love to be able to instill my values about abortion to my daughter.  The problem is,,,progressives like you, and government funded organization like planned parenthood and our public schools are undermining the values I teach my daughter, with the use of my tax dollars.  Telling my daughter that she has "choice" , and how if she gets pregnant after being irresponsible, she has the "choice" to terminate her pregnancy, and your parents don't even need to know about it.  

Yes, I can say that I believe there are social norms.  And yes,  both "freaky" examples that I gave do not fit in the social norm of a generation ago.



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"Intimate" is the way the word is spelled.


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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How would you know?


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touche' (or should I write Twoshay?)


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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the only failing is that of the country's soul....of which it is the personal responsibility of each person to quietly walk the walk
and talk the talk---spending ALOT of time on the mountain ALONE......

one can beat 'the slaves' only for so long before a psuedo Moses is erected again whether it be through politics or the
Lakeview church on TV........

the soul of the country cannot be legislated.......


Your getting off topic with actually a genuinely thoughtful response-


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Your getting off topic with actually a genuinely thoughtful response-


why would you say 'off topic'....my point was that conservs and libs are actually not different.....in the personal/moral
aspect---creepy/gross and the 'off-beat' come from both camps.........and the desire to 'control' the masses
is very strong from both camps......but.....the soul of America CANNOT be owned by either camp-----that is what
happened to nazi Germany and communist Russia............

things are grinding along well and someone is raised up as an 'anti-christ'(christ is freedom never mind the church
rituals)----anti-christ is slavery---I dont care about the "immaculate conception" the "baptism" the "confirmation"---
it's the pharases that need to be kept away.....JMHO

the nation coming together for a purpose of freedom means the destruction of the pharases--because the shew bread
works one time and always needs replacing not the idol making and control thereof......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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