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Conservative vs Liberal
If a conservative doesn’t like guns, he doesn`t buy one.
If a liberal doesn't like guns, he feels that no one should have one.
If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn`t eat meat.
If a liberal is, he wants to ban all meat products for everyone.
If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy.
A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.
If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a liberal is homosexual, he loudly demands legislated respect.
If a black man or Hispanic are conservative, they see themselves as independently successful.
Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection.
If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.
If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Liberals demand that those they don’t like be shut down.
If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church.
A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God or religion silenced.
If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.


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In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


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Are you one of those get-the-govt-off-my-back conservatives who is really a Big Brother aficionado, demanding that the govt invade and patrol our bedrooms and personal lives? That's some kinda conservative!

My view is that it's no business of the state's what one does with one's own life and body, whether it's choosing to smoke, to drink, to have regular or "irregular" sex or to abstain from all of the above, etc.

My guess is that you're one of those who'd have the govt. enforce your Christian view of the world on those of us who either aren't religious or are differently religious.

What ever happened to the ideal of the separation of church and state? To the notion that your rights end where my nose begins? To the idea that the free choices made between consenting adults is not the state's business, etc.?


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My view is that it's no business of the state's what one does with one's own life and body, whether it's choosing to smoke, to drink, to have regular or "irregular" sex or to abstain from all of the above, etc.

What ever happened to the ideal of the separation of church and state? To the notion that your rights end where my nose begins? To the idea that the free choices made between consenting adults is not the state's business, etc.?


A.  If you want us to take care of you with handouts, but you want us to stay out of your bedroom, then if something happens behind those closed doors, i.e. you get some sort of disease from your partner or their is a life created, don't expect us to pay for it.  You don't want us behind your closed doors, don't expect us to pay for your actions while you're behind the door once you decide to open it.

B.  The separation of church and state is an error that people have been making since 1802.

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Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists
The Final Letter, as Sent
To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

Gentlemen

The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

Th Jefferson
Jan. 1. 1802.


http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danpre.html

This letter clearly shows that the separation is meant that the Government will not intrude on religion, not that religion wouldn't have an effect on government.


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-If a conservative is opposed to abortion, He demands that abortion is a SIN and and should be available to no one.

-If a liberal is opposed to abortion, They don't have one...


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-If a conservative is opposed to abortion, He demands that abortion is a SIN and and should be available to no one.


It's not just a SIN, it violates the Constitutional rights of the unborn.  Murder of the innocent unborn should not be available in a progressive civilized society.  Wouldn’t you agree?

BTW...It's a separation of Church and State NOT a separation of Church FROM State.  The state cannot legislate a state religion that ALL citizens MUST recognize.  This doesn't mean that all religious symbolism be removed from the public square.


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When you liberals and conservatives keep pelting each other with a rock, doesn't one side finally say.. "You know, if i don't throw this rock at Jed, Jed won't have the rock to toss back at me?"


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That would mean we would all have to agree. Agree to be liberal and accept their ideas and agenda. It never goes the other way. Vaduer, why is political disagreement so upsetting to you? Two different sets of ideas that are in competition? Why is that always considered so wrong by liberals? This is the magic of our nation. The grandeur of it all...


"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
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Vaduer, why is political disagreement so upsetting to you? Two different sets of ideas that are in competition? Why is that always considered so wrong by liberals? This is the magic of our nation. The grandeur of it all...


U think I'm a LIberal.. Sal thinks i'm a gun humping Repub
But yeah i like those last two sentences..


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when you are against the president you are against america people the police will soon be putting the trouble makers away for good you all need to see that this is treason again. OUR MAN IS THE PRESIDENT AND YOU SHOULD REMEMBER THE LAND SLIDE HE HAD IT IS COIMNG HERE NEXT REPUBS
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I "kinda" like the president.. and I really Like his foreign policy TBH..

but Sal.. when you are against the president.. you are voicing your American right and doing your duty as an American to voice your opinion...  What you seem to be doing is asking for a police state.. The police will be soon be putting the trouble makers away for good, you all need to see that this is treason?   Seriously Sal?  That is what they just did in Iran. .. Not in my America bud..

Don't forget that when Bush was saying "your with us, or your with the terrorist speech" the Dems were up in arms about that..


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It's not just a SIN, it violates the Constitutional rights of the unborn.  Murder of the innocent unborn should not be available in a progressive civilized society.  Wouldn’t you agree?

BTW...It's a separation of Church and State NOT a separation of Church FROM State.  The state cannot legislate a state religion that ALL citizens MUST recognize.  This doesn't mean that all religious symbolism be removed from the public square.


Clearly we do not see things the same way. Does that prove you right or wrong? I don't know.
But where you see a world of black and white, good and evil, I see a full spectrum of colors and shades of gray...

Having said that, I also look for the truth. And I'm a sceptic. And you should be too.
When someone propagates a lie in Jesus name, what is that? Using sin to promote Jesus, isn't that the definition of anti Christ?
So when I read bald faced lies in the stories presented by this web site, I must speak up.
And so I have


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But where you see a world of black and white, good and evil, I see a full spectrum of colors and shades of gray...


Do you believe in any social norms?  How about this?

A brother and sister go away together on vacation in France.  While in France, they rent a one bed hotel room.  One night they start becoming intament and make the decision to have intercourse.  They take all the precautions, the brother wears a condom; the sister takes birth control, to make sure they don't have a baby.  They both decided that they would never do that again, but both felt that it strengthened their relationship.  

In your full spectrum of color, where does this fall?


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Do you believe in any social norms?  How about this?

A brother and sister go away together on vacation in France.  While in France, they rent a one bed hotel room.  One night they start becoming intament and make the decision to have intercourse.  They take all the precautions, the brother wears a condom; the sister takes birth control, to make sure they don't have a baby.  They both decided that they would never do that again, but both felt that it strengthened their relationship.  

In your full spectrum of color, where does this fall?


Your killing me man-  Cant you use the opportunity to make an intelligent comment on the stupid list of baloney Bumblethru originally posted ? you and your buddies think everything is either THIS or THAT -

Pseudo righteousness presented through  political agenda is cheezy and Ill jump on that every time- and your stupid scenarios are exactly what I mean-- and  for the record a liberal would probably say incest is wrong and knock that crap off-

Oh ya Bumble your list is really frigging funny- ha ha ho ho -


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and  for the record a liberal would probably say incest is wrong and knock that crap off-


I'm serious...Why would you, a liberal, tell them to knock that crap off?  



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I rewrote my original question.

On your full color spectrum, where does this fall?

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Do you believe in any social norms?  How about this?

Two guys go away together on vacation in France.  While in France, they rent a one bed hotel room.  One night they start becoming intament and make the decision to have intercourse.  No need to take precautions, since they can't make a baby.  They both decided that they would never do that again, but both felt that it strengthened their relationship.  

In your full spectrum of color, where does this fall?



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