Not all the money collected from the reval goes to Rotterdam, a large portion is paid to the county based on the value of the property in the town. On a normal assessment usually 1/3 of the home values go up, 1/3 stay the same, and 1/3 go down as long as the levy stays the same. In this case the levy must be raised to pay the county for the increased value of the property in the town and Rotterdam's levy on the residents stay the same or go up depending on their budget.
What he failed to admit is the County DEMS raised property taxes 10% Countywide. This goes on top of your high town taxes. Look at the rate not the total amount collected. Rotterdam has more parcels and business than both Nisky or Glenville.
It's great that fiscal CONS are finally putting this issue front and center. Your still gonna bring up George Bush I?-He was a saint compared to Obama-look for huge increases in every tax plus new taxes and fees. DEMS have shown time and time again they cannot cut any spending. Look at Lumpy Kosiur's holiday camp-complete waste of County money.
IT'S ALWAYS THE LEVY..... 1.WHAT IS THE VALUE 2.WHAT DO WE GET 3.TO WHOM DOES IT GO 4.WHAT CONTRACTS 5.WHAT PROJECTS 6.WHAT POLITICIANS 7.WHAT UNHOLY ALIANCES 8.WHAT ARE WE THINKING?
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The number of parcels is absolutely irrelevant to anything. And the tax rate is irrelevant unless you are talking about the full value rate. In fact the reval lowered everybody's tax rate in Rotterdam per assessed thousand. In my hypothetical above the tax levy and tax bills for each of the four taxoayers stayed the same even though the tax rate went down from $100 per assessed thousand to $10 per assessed thousand after the reval.
It is all about curbing spending.
I can understand why Mr. Salami would not appreciate the value of a summer program for youth. This kind of of government program offends his Conservative sensibilities. Helping kids doesn't bother me. A miniscule cost, a massive potential return on investment.
Lumpy Kosiur? I thought his first name was Ed? Does he have a brother or something?
I can understand why Mr. Salami would not appreciate the value of a summer program for youth. This kind of of government program offends his Conservative sensibilities. Helping kids doesn't bother me. A miniscule cost, a massive potential return on investment.
Please give me measurements of the County taxpayers ROI for the youth program. What EXACTLY do I get for my investment??? And don't forget to measure it above and beyond the benefits of the non profit YMCA that already exists in Schenectady County. Or are government programs with good intentions good enough for you.
There are dozens upon dozens of parks in Schenectady County, along with the YMCA, Boys and Girls Club, and countless other non-profit youth groups. As if the youth in Schenectady County didn't have enough options.
In fact the reval lowered everybody's tax rate in Rotterdam per assessed thousand. In my hypothetical above the tax levy and tax bills for each of the four taxoayers stayed the same even though the tax rate went down from $100 per assessed thousand to $10 per assessed thousand after the reval.
I understand your point that it changed the level that each homeowner owns per $1,000. Sure, each and every property owner in the town is now paying less per $1,000. There's only one problem with this...the fact that after the evaluation, we are now paying less per thousand...ON MORE THOUSANDS OF VALUE THAT WE WILL NEVER GET BACK. Now, until there is ANOTHER reevaluation, we will be paying more than our fair share...as usual. We don't even get our fair share when it comes to the amount of SALES TAX that is brought in by the county.
Mr. March: I was simply making the point that you underscored. The "rate" is irrelevant (i.e. MobileTerminal). The amount you pay is driven by the levy typically. As for fair share, the best thing to do is try to keep assessments as close as possible to 100% of full valuation -- which is what Niskayuna does. Every other town has reassessed relatively routinely. And as for fair share of the countywide tax levy, the laying of that levy across the tax rolls is based on the state's equalization rates. If you think the town's residents are paying too mush of the county levy, your qualm is with the equalization rate.
Cicero... Let's trade ROIs? What is the ROI on one of the parks you seem to prefer? You could have funded the county summer youth program completely on the amount the town of Rotterdam wastes on political lawyers. What's the ROI on them?
More fundamentally comparing a youth program to a park is apples to mangos, and noting Rotterdam has eight parks rings to me a bit like Marie Antoinette saying let them eat cake. I get it that many don't see the value of these kinds of programs and want to call them pork; I just disagree.
Sales tax, indeed. If every town agreed to take an equal share of the state's unfunded mandates that are placed on the counties, I think they should indeed get more of the sales tax revenue which is already inadequate to pay for them. Meanwhile the Metroplex sales tax payments that were provided to the towns for the express purpose of economic development have instead just been absorbed into the town's general fund. I for one would not want to see good money sent after bad.
Cicero... Let's trade ROIs? What is the ROI on one of the parks you seem to prefer? You could have funded the county summer youth program completely on the amount the town of Rotterdam wastes on political lawyers. What's the ROI on them?
More fundamentally comparing a youth program to a park is apples to mangos, and noting Rotterdam has eight parks rings to me a bit like Marie Antoinette saying let them eat cake. I get it that many don't see the value of these kinds of programs and want to call them pork; I just disagree.
I don't know the ROI on parks, but again, I wasn't the one who claimed miniscule cost for MASSIVE POTENTIAL return for the county youth program. I'm basing my claim on my own childhood growing up in Rotterdam. I played basketball, home run derby, tennis, bike riding on the bike trail, swimming at hillherst park and the Rotterdam Boys Club, fishing on the Mohawk River, and I'm sure other things that I can't remember. There were a lot of things available for kids of all ages then that are available now that don't get used.
Didn't the YMCA have a summer youth program in Schenectady that the County actually now competes with? Non profits competing with government funded,,,,only in Schenectady.
Rotterdam should determine how much their 8 parks are being used, and think about closing some of them down or selling them to developer's.
What does the Rotterdam Attorney's have to do with the price of eggs in China? Read my some of my prior posts. I believe you will find me in agreement with you on that subject.
Their are plenty of programs for youth without the County taxpayers creating another one to employ Lumpy Kosiur. How dare you weaken the Y and Boys/Girls Club excellent programs. This is all make work.
Sickening how liberals defend every wasteful spending proposal coming down the pike. Anyone who thinks record tax rates are irrelevant is living in another universe. What are your spending cutting proposals to close the multi-million dollar County deficit-created by Ms Savage and Death Ray? You have no answer-except attacking Conservative business leaders. That actually create jobs and generate sales tax revenue.
Funny how the libs and even the reps will poo poo the idea of 'no new tax' or 'cut spending'. They will say how heartless the 'real cons' are when they propose cutting spending in areas that are already saturated with duplicate programs that are costing the taxpayers a bundle.
Ya see...it doesn't really matter much anymore if they are dems or reps or cons. They ALL want a piece of the action. They ALL want to control the purse strings. That is why this new party is so relvant. The dems, reps and cons will ALL continue on the same distructive path this county is heading in. This new party is saying 'no'.
So it clearly is time to turn the reins over. It is time for change in how we are governed! I say give them a chance and vote them in!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
The problem was that Rotterdam has been stuck in the 50's for so long that when the shades were raised.....well, here we are...
nothing to offer and nothing to gain....except for VALUATION OF OUR HOMES.....I for one dont want to own 'cheap crap'.... as for the equalization,,,,,if the big boys in the State are playing ball with MY equalization.....let me just say edumacation of the masses goes a long way.......
again,,,,if you own a home $800,000 the rate of your responsibility 10%.....10% of $800,000 and,,,,,,,if you own a home $100,000 the rate of your responsibility 10%.....10% of $100,000
each person knows what they own/purchased/built etc......SUCK IT UP.......
if you over purchased you over purchased,,,,,TAXES WILL ALWAYS GO UP.......and sh** happens.....
so if the folks that own 'expensive' homes want to get assessed lower-----here's my take on it......
YOU,,,,just cheapened the town......
what is an expensive home-----something you cant afford
JMHO
go forward and prosper by your own sweat.....
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
I am new here. But Mr. Salami with his "Death Ray" and his "Lumpy Kosiur" seems to have an angry worldview I cannot identify with. I can only guess his political antagonists would be happy for his commentary.
The county's summer youth program weakened nothing -- it provided more opportunity.
I stand by my statement about small investment, big return respecting the summer youth camp program and the jobs program. Sorry I responded a bit defensively -- agree or disagree.
The point about the wasteful spending on political lawyers is my sense of broadly misplaced priorities. The youth program put folks like Mr. Salami into high dudgeon (sp) based really on their philosophical bent that government should not be in the youth programming business -- but the waste on high power politico lawyers seems to not offend so much.
I say get rid of politico lawyers and politico youth programs......either way it shows the government trough to be the only place to get one's feed......
'only the government 'cares' for me'........
I'm not so sure that leaving tyranny was meant to lead to this.......
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
I agree with you, pilgrim, that youth programs are beneficial. But it is not the role of government to supply them. This should be the role of non-profits only. And there are a ton of them out there. From the Y, to the boys and girls clubs, to church organizations, to football, baseball, soccer and so on. And of course lets not forget FAMILY!
As far as lumpy kosiur,(a name he is called affectionately) he landed a cushy job for the youth after being beaten miserably in the state assembly race. It was a 'created' position for him at $80K/yr. + benefits! A tax paid job that was clearly not necessary when there are non-profits everywhere doing the same identical thing.
We need to start becoming a community/nation of people who do not rely on the government for every little thing! It is clearly getting way out of hand.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
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What he failed to admit is the County DEMS raised property taxes 10% Countywide. This goes on top of your high town taxes. Look at the rate not the total amount collected. Rotterdam has more parcels and business than both Nisky or Glenville. 
