People with children would understand that only a lowlife scum bag would attack a high school graduates words as a way to take a cheap shot at his father because of ideological differences.  And please spare me the "he's a legal adult" b.s., he's still in high school.

Could you elaborate on your experience with kids, raising kids, instilling values in kids, and keeping kids out of trouble. Tell me what kind of disciplinarian you are/were with your children.  Did you use time out?  Or maybe corporal punishment?  Or were the kids grounded? Or possibly you have no f#*king idea, because you are too greedy and self centered to even think about having children of your own.  So now you have the luxury of arm chair quarterbacking parents and judge their children for like PDQ said "the sins of their father".  You're a classless bum, and I dispute your claim to a "good solid upbringing and values".  Ask your daddy if he would have appreciated a dirt bag like you, using his son/daughter as a means of attacking him.  

You can keep on thinking you're better than everybody else, and claim the moral high ground.  Crying about "how hard you had it" and "you had to work hard and do it yourself", "I wasn't from a privileged family", WHINE,,,,,,,WHINE,,,,,,,,WHINE,,,,,,,,,, like Senders points out, JOIN THE CLUB!  

But I for one know you are beneath me.  You may think driving Audi's or Antique muscle cars, or being a single person buying 4 bedroom quarter million dollar homes in Rotterdam makes in some way better than everybody else,,,,,,,your mistaken.  

You may not have had a "big family name"........... Have you ever had a family of your own?

I think you mistake me for another. Sorry you are so angry. I pity the poor taxpayers of the Schenectady school district who are under the thumb of these oppressors, AND THEIR ENTIRE FAMILIES. Sounds like you have some experience being in one of those connected families, with the silver spoons and the daddies looking out for them, by whatever means, getting them out of trouble and into jobs and such. But to each his own. I am just glad that my father didn't raise me to hate America. I would have been wrong at whatever age I did that, if I did so. But I don't. Do you?

Quoted from CICERO

You can keep on thinking you're better than everybody else, and claim the moral high ground.  
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But I for one know you are beneath me.  


You may not have had a "big family name"........... Have you ever had a family of your own?

Wow ... criticize someone for taking the "moral high ground" - then saying they're below you?  How's that work?


Why do you feel it necessary to take pot shots at someones family?  I thought you were "above that" - or so you claimed.

Quoted from GrahamBonnet

I think you mistake me for another. Sorry you are so angry. I pity the poor taxpayers of the Schenectady school district who are under the thumb of these oppressors, AND THEIR ENTIRE FAMILIES. Sounds like you have some experience being in one of those connected families, with the silver spoons and the daddies looking out for them, by whatever means, getting them out of trouble and into jobs and such. But to each his own. I am just glad that my father didn't raise me to hate America. I would have been wrong at whatever age I did that, if I did so. But I don't. Do you?

I may be mistaking you for somebody else,,,,,,but I doubt it.  

You still feel it's ok to use a fathers child as a spring board to attack the man's ideology.  Let's not try to redirect this conversation to patriotism and hating America.  This is about using somebody's son to launch an ideological attack on his father on a public forum.  Me being a parent, which I'm not so sure you understand, question the integrity of a person who sees no problem with it.  

I ask you this Gram, how many chidren do you have, and how do you feel about them being used as ideological/political fodder?  

Quoted from 147

Wow ... criticize someone for taking the "moral high ground" - then saying they're below you?  How's that work?


Why do you feel it necessary to take pot shots at someones family?  I thought you were "above that" - or so you claimed.

I have no problem saying I'm above a person who uses somebody's school aged child to attack the father on a public forum.  What say you?

Quoted from 147

Why do you feel it necessary to take pot shots at someones family?  I thought you were "above that" - or so you claimed.

I'm not taking pot shots at someone's family, I'm taking shot at the type of person who chooses not to start a family of their own, yet criticizes those who have them, and feel verbally attacking a person using their child is ok.

I wouldn't want a person with that type of character representing me.  Obviously, a person like that wouldn't understand family values.  

I put that type of person in the category with Paul Tonko.

Although I agree that the schenectady school board leaves a lot to be desired....I also agree that the kids need to be left out of this mess. If the son loves and is proud of his dad...then the son loves and is proud of his dad. It is what it is. That is their personal private business.

Quoted from CICERO

I'm not taking pot shots at someone's family, I'm taking shot at the type of person who chooses not to start a family of their own, yet criticizes those who have them, and feel verbally attacking a person using their child is ok.

I wouldn't want a person with that type of character representing me.  Obviously, a person like that wouldn't understand family values.  

I put that type of person in the category with Paul Tonko.

How do you know he/she doesn't have a family? How do you know that person represents you?  You're making assumptions, and you know what happens when you do that.

Quoted from CICERO

I'm not taking pot shots at someone's family, I'm taking shot at the type of person who chooses not to start a family of their own, yet criticizes those who have them, and feel verbally attacking a person using their child is ok.

I wouldn't want a person with that type of character representing me.  Obviously, a person like that wouldn't understand family values.  

I put that type of person in the category with Paul Tonko.

While I understand your reasoning for this, Cicero, I think you're totally off-base.  Maybe you don't know how this person grew up.  Maybe this person had plans for what they wanted to do in their lifetime.  Maybe they knew that those plans would take away from the time that they would have to spend with their family, whether it would be traveling for business or locally (or nationally) taking part in government.  Maybe they know how it is to be in a situation from a different perspective, i.e. knowing what something that the parent did would affect the child because of the fact that at one point, they WERE that child.  Just because someone doesn't have a family that they're raising doesn't mean that they don't have family values or know about them.

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While I understand your reasoning for this, Cicero, I think you're totally off-base.  Maybe you don't know how this person grew up.  Maybe this person had plans for what they wanted to do in their lifetime.  Maybe they knew that those plans would take away from the time that they would have to spend with their family, whether it would be traveling for business or locally (or nationally) taking part in government.  Maybe they know how it is to be in a situation from a different perspective, i.e. knowing what something that the parent did would affect the child because of the fact that at one point, they WERE that child.  Just because someone doesn't have a family that they're raising doesn't mean that they don't have family values or know about them.

I believe you have children Kevin.  Would it be in or out of bounds if a person who had opposing ideological beliefs than you, to use something your child says to attack your beliefs on a public internet forum?

I respectfully disagree about not having children for plans or business, for travel or otherwise.  The only exceptions I would accept are joining the Priesthood, a Nunnery, or biologically unable too.  Using personal or professional aspirations as a scapegoat for not starting a family is in my opinion selfish, and telling of ones character.  

They may have some understanding of family values that their parents instilled onto them 30+ years ago, but not to the extent of a person that has a family/children of their own in the present.  They will never understand the challenges that come with raising children in todays day and age.  I'm sure you could attest to that.

For somebody to take the words of a sons admiration for his father and draw a parallel with a murderous dictator like Joseph Stalin, tells me the character of that person. IMHO

blah blah blah, Cicero. You are a dope. You missed the point. The kids of this thug-master socialists are following in his footsteps publicly making statements, one screaming and yelling at the school board accosting people for standing up for the dad. The other posting his political comments and defense of his father in he valedictorian announcement in the public paper and your hang-up as to this poster supposedly not having children becomes your rant for the day? Why don't you write a letter to the paper stating your opinion and we can see how many people take THAT side, you clown! You think it is selfish that some are childless?

Your claim that I am selfish really makes us certain you don't know me, personally, nor do you know what I do for people- both loved ones and strangers. Nothing I post ever satisfies you so I assume you are one of the lurking haters who has me confused with someone who did bad things to you somehow(in your imagination). At this point, I suspect that you are related to the bomber or some other connected family since you are so defensive about this school board. If anything happens to my property we will know who to ask about it, won't we?

Quoted from GrahamBonnet

blah blah blah, Cicero. You are a dope. You missed the point. The kids of this thug-master socialists are following in his footsteps publicly making statements, one screaming and yelling at the school board accosting people for standing up for the dad. The other posting his political comments and defense of his father in he valedictorian announcement in the public paper and your hang-up as to this poster supposedly not having children becomes your rant for the day? Why don't you write a letter to the paper stating your opinion and we can see how many people take THAT side, you clown! You think it is selfish that some are childless?

Your claim that I am selfish really makes us certain you don't know me, personally, nor do you know what I do for people- both loved ones and strangers. Nothing I post ever satisfies you so I assume you are one of the lurking haters who has me confused with someone who did bad things to you somehow(in your imagination). At this point, I suspect that you are related to the bomber or some other connected family since you are so defensive about this school board. If anything happens to my property we will know who to ask about it, won't we?

It's an election year, and you don't want to make the same mistake posting under your real name, like you did on the Schenectady Forum.  You either-wised up, or your Republican political handlers advised you to keep your big trap shut.  

But hey, I may still be confused who you are.

P.S.

I talked to Rwilson, and he misses the lively debates.  

I've heard that name. He is on the other blog. Sometimes he appeared to make sense.

Quoted from CICERO

I believe you have children Kevin.  Would it be in or out of bounds if a person who had opposing ideological beliefs than you, to use something your child says to attack your beliefs on a public internet forum?

Yes, I do have children.  If a person who had opposing idealogical beliefs from me used something that my children said, then I would look at the context where it was that they stated it.  I would look at what they said.  I think it is quite clear what my beliefs are and I have made a point over the time that I was on this forum in this state and it's previous state to say exactly what I meant.  I try to bring up my children to have the same values.  

Quoted from CICERO

I respectfully disagree about not having children for plans or business, for travel or otherwise.  The only exceptions I would accept are joining the Priesthood, a Nunnery, or biologically unable too.  Using personal or professional aspirations as a scapegoat for not starting a family is in my opinion selfish, and telling of ones character.  

That may be your feeling, and you have the right to believe that, and you have the right to state that.  It doesn't mean that you're right about it.  At the same time, it doesn't mean that you're wrong either, but that doesn't mean that anybody that disagrees with you is, either.  It is open for debate.  People make decisions for all reasons.  Just because there's only specific times that YOU would accept doesn't mean that those are THE only exceptions.  Those are the only exceptions that you accept...doesn't mean it's the only exceptions EVERYBODY has to accept.

Quoted from CICERO

They may have some understanding of family values that their parents instilled onto them 30+ years ago, but not to the extent of a person that has a family/children of their own in the present.  They will never understand the challenges that come with raising children in todays day and age.  I'm sure you could attest to that.

I never knew that someone who didn't have children WOULD understand what it's like to raise children...nor did I imply that.

Quoted from CICERO

For somebody to take the words of a sons admiration for his father and draw a parallel with a murderous dictator like Joseph Stalin, tells me the character of that person. IMHO

And it's exactly that, your opinion...and guess what...in this world in general, 50% (give or take) of people's opinions are wrong (or at least disagree with someone else).  That's the difference between facts and opinions.

Take a look at my signature line, I'm well aware of fact and my opinion.

FACT - Grahambonnet compares Schenectady School Board President Janisewski's school aged son, to the son of communist murderous dictator Joseph Stalin on a public internet forum.

OPINION - I believe a person who would make such a statement either has no children and doesn't understand how completely out of bounds that is, OR, is just a complete douche bag, and will use any means to score an ideological point.

QUESTION - Do you dispute the FACT of the statement, OR, my OPINION of the person making the statement??  What is your opinion of somebody that would compare a fathers son to Stalin?  Would you be O.K. with a liberal comparing your children to the son of Hitler on a public internet forum?????And would you contribute money to a politicians campaign that would make such a statement?


I'm well aware of the difference between FACT and  OPINION.