Of course she knew. The dems are between a rock and a hard place right now. It appears that they would love to throw Pelosi under the bus. But if they do, she will make sure they all go with her.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
They ALL knew.....who are they kidding???? DORKS........There must be a class that politicians take called "double talk 101" or "lie to yourself and everyone will believe you too 101".........
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
I have a question for democrat liberals. do you support putting Nancy Pelosi on the dock and bringing her to the gallows if need be at the upcoming national war crimes tribunals? She obviously KNEW, like the Nazi's knew, and she obviously APPROVED, like the Nazi's approved, even though she is doing a horrible job of nervously lying about it now. Should she be executed like you want the Bush administration people executed?
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
Speaker's Comments Raise Detainee Debate to New Level
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By Dan Balz Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, May 15, 2009
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's extraordinary accusation that the Bush administration lied to Congress about the use of harsh interrogation techniques dramatically raised the stakes in the growing debate over the Bush administration's anti-terrorism policies even as it raised some questions about the speaker's credibility. Pelosi's performance in the Capitol was either a calculated escalation of a long-running feud with the Bush administration or a reckless act by a politician whose word had been called into question. Perhaps it was both.
For the first time, Pelosi (D-Calif.) acknowledged that in 2003 she was informed by an aide that the CIA had told others in Congress that officials had used waterboarding during interrogations. But she insisted, contrary to CIA accounts, that she was not told about waterboarding during a September 2002 briefing by agency officials. Asked whether she was accusing the CIA of lying, she replied, "Yes, misleading the Congress of the United States."
Washington now is engaged in a battle royal of finger-pointing, second-guessing and self-defense, all over techniques President Obama banned in the first days of his administration. Both sides in this debate believe they have something to prove -- and gain -- by keeping the fight alive.
Both sides have champions and villains. Pelosi has become a lightning rod for criticism from conservatives, and a hero to the left, much as former vice president Richard B. Cheney has become a target of the left and the darling of many on the right.
The speaker's charges about the CIA's alleged deception and her shifting accounts of what she knew and when she knew it are likely to add to calls for some kind of independent body to investigate this supercharged issue, though Obama and many members of Congress would like to avoid a wholesale unearthing of the past at a time when their plates are full with pressing concerns.
Closing the books on the George W. Bush years has proven harder than anyone imagined -- certainly harder than Obama hoped. The intensifying argument over what the CIA told Pelosi and when comes on top of the debate over whether any Bush administration officials should face legal action for their roles in authorizing or implementing the interrogation policies and whether a national commission is needed to get to the truth.
The speaker's discomfort was evident yesterday as she was grilled by reporters for the first time since the CIA issued information suggesting that she and others were told about the use of the techniques, including waterboarding, at a classified briefing on Sept. 4, 2002. Pelosi was then the ranking Democrat on the House intelligence committee.
The CIA said the briefing included Pelosi and then-Rep. Porter J. Goss (Fla.), who was the committee chairman at the time and who later became CIA director. Two House aides also attended. The CIA's account said the subject was enhanced interrogation techniques and the particular methods used on Zayn al-Abidin Muhammed Hussein, better known by the nom de guerre Abu Zubaida.
Five months later, on Feb. 5, 2003, after Pelosi had left the intelligence committee, the CIA briefed the panel's chairman and ranking minority-party member on the detainee interrogation program. Pelosi said her aide Michael Sheehy, who attended that briefing as well as the September briefing, told her that agency officials said they had used waterboarding in some cases. "He said that the committee chair and ranking member and appropriate staff had been briefed that these techniques were now being used," she said yesterday. "That's all I was informed."
Conservatives say that, if Pelosi was so opposed to torture, she should have spoken out forcefully when she learned that these techniques were being employed. Her failure to do so then leaves her in a weakened position to protest now, they argue. An op-ed article by senior Bush White House adviser Karl Rove in yesterday's Wall Street Journal asked directly: "So is the speaker of the House lying about what she knew and when? And, if so, what will Democrats do about it?"
Pelosi gave some ground on the question of whether she had been informed that waterboarding was being used -- though by her account she did not learn about it until February 2003, rather than in 2002, and then only from her aide. Instead of registering her protest to the administration, she said, she set out to help Democrats win control of Congress and elect a Democrat as president.
I believe that her attack on the CIA is a very bad move on her part, it's not nice to P*ss off Big Brother IMHO.
I have some bad news for you. The Company has been pretty much taken over by the left over the past 15 years or so. They are not there as much for national security but more for the advancement of left leaning policy. Clinton made sure that there was an institutional change, and Obama will finish that. The so-called leaders there are no longer in the class of Donovan, Dulles, Angleton, Helms, Colby or Casey. Those days are gone, in my opinion. Ultimately this staged drama will lead to the purging of the agency of all the old school hold outs, with the replacements being of the Panetta stripe. This you can take to the bank, although you won't be reading much about it in the papers, which are controlled lock, stock and barrel by the regime.
"While Foreign Terrorists were plotting to murder and maim using homemade bombs in Boston, Democrap officials in Washington DC, Albany and here were busy watching ME and other law abiding American Citizens who are gun owners and taxpayers, in an effort to blame the nation's lack of security on US so that they could have a political scapegoat."
Well GB, if you're right then we can bet our sweet behinds that the terrorists will be hitting us again in the very near future. History will repeat itself again. When you offer a terrorist an olive branch they'll hand you back a bomb.
I have some bad news for you. The Company has been pretty much taken over by the left over the past 15 years or so. They are not there as much for national security but more for the advancement of left leaning policy. Clinton made sure that there was an institutional change, and Obama will finish that. The so-called leaders there are no longer in the class of Donovan, Dulles, Angleton, Helms, Colby or Casey. Those days are gone, in my opinion. Ultimately this staged drama will lead to the purging of the agency of all the old school hold outs, with the replacements being of the Panetta stripe. This you can take to the bank, although you won't be reading much about it in the papers, which are controlled lock, stock and barrel by the regime.
I agree with you in part. But I think the CIA, be it liberal or not is still a 'good ole' boys' club. Pelosi is placing blame on the CIA saying that they never told her. I think they will either throw Pelosi under the bus OR the dems will let this subject die after the media storm.I don't think it is a good idea to pi** off the CIA. There clearly are not enough reps or enough media coverage to keep this issue alive.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
On Sept. 4, 2002, Pelosi was the senior Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee.....and she wasn't told???
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
I'm not 'one upping' anyone.......terrorists(whatever the definition I guess) are maniacs......I'm talking from my view and way down deep inside my heart/head..... animal anger,,,,pure and simple....... I have never been involved with torture.....what I do like to promote is what is yours is yours and what is mine is mine.....very simple
I dont understand torture other than the word thrown about like love......IE: "it's torture waiting for the new book to come out." or "I love strawberries so much." .......most of our world is 'lost in translation'......
JMHO
Maybe we could have an HBO pay per view and see what the definition of torture is ?- but seriously - Im not sure what we are talking about either-
I agree somebody....other than being a nurse,,,,I'm not a professional 'torturor'(?).......in either case I'm sure that all of us involved in this forum have a fair amount of pure animal instinct(parental/territorial etc).....It takes a village to raise a child and it takes a village to make a war machine......
who are we.......really?
...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......
The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.
STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS
(Not) New ‘Abuse’ Photos (Re) Surface From South Asia’s Asian News International:
New Iraq ‘prisoner abuse’ photographs surface in Australia May 15th, 2009
Washington, May 15 (ANI): Graphic photographs of alleged prisoner abuse in Iraq have surfaced in spite of the Obama administration trying its level best to halt its release.
The images emerged from Australia yesterday where they were originally obtained by the channel SBS in 2006 in the wake of the Abu Ghraib scandal.
The shocking images of inmates in Iraq and Afghanistan were published just a day after Obama announced plans for a legal battle stop them ever being seen.
According to The Telegraph, one picture showed a prisoner hung up upside down while another showed a naked man smeared in excrement standing in a corridor with a guard standing menacingly in front of him. Another prisoner is handcuffed to the window frame of his cell with underpants pulled over his head.
Others show military guards threatening to sexually assault a detainee with a broomstick and hooded prisoners on transport planes with Playboy magazines opened to pictures of nude women on their laps.
The president’s change of heart brought bitter criticism from the left wingers and the American Civil Liberties Union, which had brought a freedom of information case against the US government applying to see the pictures.
“It is true that these photos would be disturbing. The day we are no longer disturbed by such repugnant acts would be a sad one,” said Anthony Romero, executive director…
So it turns out that these may or may not be the photographs in question.
They are leftovers from what the SBC TV station had back in 2006.
And what torture?
Men hanging upside down? Excrement-throwing prisoners getting a taste of their own medicine? Playboy magazines? Panties on heads again?
How outrageous. Civilian Nick Berg’s decapitated body on display in Baghdad.
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
All of this hub bub about waterboarding THREE people right after 911. And obama and the liberals go around the world apologizing and banning such behavior. And what did obama and the libs get in return? Clearly no apology for beheading and burning americans for the world to see.
Perhaps obama should send the terrorists free transportation to this country and give them gift certificates for starbucks and perhaps some free tokens to use in vegas! While he's at it, give them free training on how to fly planes. PALLEEEZZEE!!!
When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche
“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.” Adolph Hitler
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