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March 10, 2009, 8:36pm Report to Moderator
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Albany County's ammunition sales law is way out of step

By FRED LEBRUN, Staff writer
First published in print: Wednesday, March 11, 2009

Gun control at a highly restrictive level New York has never seen before is imbedded in a local law under consideration at the moment by the Albany County Legislature.

     
Local Law "A" for 2009 would tightly regulate "in the interests of public safety" all ammunition sold in Albany County. Not just ammo for handguns, which already is closely monitored by state law, but all rifle and shotgun ammunition as well. Hunting and target shooting ammo, basically. Anyone buying rounds or shells, even .22s, would have to show identification, declare the gun and have its serial number registered with the ammo seller. The buyer would have to state his intent of use, and could be refused the purchase. The ammo seller, at the same time, would be required to keep records for 10 years.

Anyway you look at it, this amounts to yet another unreasonable assault on lawful gun owners and hunters without any logic behind it except to harass. It's ludicrous.

Not to mention that this flies in the face of a long tradition in this state, and in nearly all other states, of not registering long guns – that is, rifles or shotguns. These are not weapons typically used in crimes or the illegal gun trade, anyway.

There is simply no demonstrable need for this law, none. Even if there were, this is something that needs extended discussion in the open, at least on the state level, and probably nationally.

Even in liberal states, this goes nowhere for a reason. How can you have the U.S. Supreme Court, as it did last year, affirm the individual as well as collective right of Americans to bear arms, but then have Albany County decide you can't have the ammo for your guaranteed gun? Granted, the court also affirmed the right of individual states to set reasonable rules and restrictions on the ownership of handguns, which was what the court decision was about. Changing unfettered long-gun ownership by the general citizenry was never even on the table in that discussion.


http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=778528
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so....make your own.......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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March 11, 2009, 2:17pm Report to Moderator
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so....make your own.......


That will only work for a while.  Then they'll go after brass and powder sales as well.  Or they'll make you need a "special permit" for a press.

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Where is Gillibrand when ya need her? She clearly caved to the political process.


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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Where is Gillibrand when ya need her? She clearly caved to the political process.


If she wants to even have a glimmer of hope of re-election (which I currently doubt), she has to suck up to the ideologue City-crats who bashed her in the press and boycotted here first press conference.  Don't expect any help from her on this...

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Sorry man - I just dont see the big deal-- Showing an ID to buy bullets/gun powder/dynomite or what ever and then you have to sign a document saying your not going ot blow up or kill anyone ?

What is the big deal ?


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The big deal is not showing the ID but having to declare the type of gun and to register the serial number with the authorities just to buy ammunition.
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I agree 100% with ya shadow. There are more honest gun owners than not in this country.Yet it is the honest ones who get treated like criminals/terrorist.

While the criminals and their guns run free to rape, murder and steal. Keeping track of the honest ones is NOT going to solve the criminal possession of guns in this country. It is just more invasion of our freedoms.


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Hitler registered all the firearms in Germany first, then he turned around and had all the guns confiscated leaving the people unarmed and unable to stop him.
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THANK GOD those people didnt have the guns to shoot at our men in uniforms when they went in there. Good thing Hitler took the guns or we would have lost that there war against the fashists and Nazis but now we have the white red kneck nazis here with the guns and they are named the name REPUB
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Criminals have guns for a reason......they are criminals......so,,,,Sal,,,are you a criminal or parading around like Jesus?

My knife will work too....how about yours?....."....not until you see the whites of their eyes..."

I can see all Sal's seniors/kids pressing in for the win.....utopia? or just Lord of the Flies/Animal Farm........????


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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the people DONT WANT THE GUNS stunad so for you who wants them it must make you feel more manly and that there
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Speak for yourself Sal, when the police are only minutes away my Smith and Wesson are always with me.
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Someday the red necks and shadow, with his smith and wesson, will be saving your sorry a** sal.

And while you're at it sal, remind the Jews on how lucky they were that the 'nazis' confiscated all the people's guns. Nitwit!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


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