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Senate votes to give tax break to new car buyers as price tag approaches $900B in stimulus bill


By DAVID ESPO, Associated Press
Last updated: 9:25 p.m., Tuesday, February 3, 2009

WASHINGTON -- The Senate voted Tuesday to give a tax break to new car buyers, setting aside bipartisan concerns over the size of an economic stimulus bill with a price tag approaching $900 billion. The 71-26 vote came as President Barack Obama said he lies awake nights worrying about the economy, and signaled opposition to congressional attempts to insert "buy American" provisions into the legislation for fear it would spark a trade war.
     
Sen. Barbara Mikulski led the successful effort to allow many car buyers to claim an income tax deduction for sales taxes paid on new autos and interest payments on car loans.

She said the plan would aid the beleaguered automobile industry as well as create jobs at a time the economy is losing them at a rapid rate. "I believe we can help by getting the consumer into the showroom," she said.

The provision was attached to the economic stimulus bill at the heart of Obama's economic recovery plan and is subject to change or even elimination as the measure makes its way toward final passage.

Democratic leaders have pledged to have the bill ready for his signature by mid-month, and in a round of network television interviews, the president underscored the urgency. He told CNN that even three months ago, most economists would not have predicted the economy was "in as bad of a situation as we are in right now."

He also spoke out against efforts to require the use of domestic steel in construction projects envisioned in the bill, telling Fox News, "we can't send a protectionist message."

The stimulus bill remains a work in progress, following last week's party-line vote in the House and an Oval Office meeting on Monday in which Obama and Democratic leaders discussed ways to reach across party lines.

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What good will a tax credit do if the banks aren't lending?  (They're too busy with their corporate greed, bonuses, etc)
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let me just say-----WTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what exactly is the message???? they are playing poker with the banks/fed reserve and we are in the pot as the ante.......so who shall win?????

and here we are as the sheeple....listing to left and listing to the right and looking over the precipice of the future.....what shall it be???

and I'm not talking left wing or right wing either......that is just petty semantics/rhetoric used as smoke and mirrors.....what a circus.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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bathtub gin anyone??????


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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I think that this is the first part of this bill that I actually agree with.  You know, giving people a tax break on American made merchandise might be a way to encourage the money to stay in the country and actually do something for the economy.  As far as how Nancy Pelosi thinks that funding abortions, much less ones overseas in "underprivaledged" countries is going to stimulate our economy...or by giving money to Unplanned Parenthood, who knows.


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This break wouldn't be for only American made cars ... don't forget, he's gonna have the "buy american" clause removed.
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I dont want a tax break/credit or whatever....I want to be able to afford the salary of my fellow American......so I say let the car companies go into
bankruptcy as the system is set up for and 'fix' their problems without the governments assistance.....if they dont like the system then maybe
they should get out of business and look in their own backyards.......

government-CEO pay scale-bailout--------what an unholy trinity.......pay to play?


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BTW a tax deduction will just end up in the hands of NYS leaders.....why?

The sheeple will think they are getting something and wont mind paying another NYS 'fee'....it will be a wash........


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If they pass this bill it should be for only American made cars!!!!! I know there are foreign makers that have plants in this country but the bail out should first and foremost be GM and Ford.
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either way the 'leeway' will be usurped by NYS.......rob Peter to pay Paul.......


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Yes, the tax rebate should only be on U.S. made cars.  Of course, if we followed that old, out-dated document, this would be how it would work anyway.  Trade between the states would not be taxed, but an import tax could be posed on items coming from other states (countries).  That would make the US car less expensive than the import, encouraging people to buy from this country.


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http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE5135MN20090204

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Senate to vote on softened "Buy American" plan
Wed Feb 4, 2009 6:54pm EST

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Senate planned to vote late on Wednesday on a softened "Buy American" plan as part of its nearly $900 billion economic stimulus bill, after President Barack Obama expressed concern the original language could trigger a trade war.

The proposed amendment adds language requiring that Buy American measures that have upset Canada, the European Union and other trading partners be "applied in a manner consistent with U.S. obligations under international agreements."

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The U.S. "stimulus" package should not be written to address the financial and economic difficulties being experienced by our trading partners.
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