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Who does he is to act this way to a senator and why didnt the FBI arrest him or question him over there for the way he went after Senator Obama? why was he allowed to beomce a celebrity so fast and I also heard he is a tax cheat and didnt even pay his union dues or for his business permit over there. Another phoney and worst yet the repubs put him up to this here kind of trash talk and the FBI must be in cahouts with the repubs for letting him do that to Senator O. Wake up you people and see what the repubs will do to us when they get back in power they will smear us and assualt us all
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http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/17/feeling-plumber-fatigue-media-turns-joe/
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Feeling Plumber Fatigue, Media Turn on 'Joe'
Like Sarah Palin, it didn't take long for "Joe the Plumber" to go from political sensation to political target.

FOXNews.com
Friday, October 17, 2008


Joe Wurzelbacher is followed by reporters in Holland, Ohio, on Thursday. (AP Photo)


Two nights ago, "Joe the Plumber" was a symbol of the American dream. By Friday morning, you would have thought he was convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

Did you know he owes back taxes? Or that he's not actually a licensed plumber? And his first name's not even really Joe, but Samuel?

The "shocking" revelations spurred a litany of plumber putdowns in newspapers and liberal blogs across the country.

"Looks like there's a crack in Joe the Plumber's story," Democratic activist Bob Mulholland told the San Francisco Chronicle in a story that topped their Web site Friday morning.

"Joe the Plumber's story sprang a few leaks," The Associated Press reported.

But does it really matter?

No, Samuel "Joe" Wurzelbacher doesn't have a plumbing license, but his employer does. His back taxes total less than $1,200. Not exactly Wesley Snipes.  

Watch Mike Huckabee interview Wurzelbacher on FOX News Channel Saturday at 8 p.m. ET. The show will be rebroadcast at 8 p.m. and 11 p.m. ET Sunday.

John McCain's campaign argues that Joe the Plumber is still as relevant today as he ever was (meaning, two days ago), and wishes the media would stop hating on him.

"The same thing happened with Governor Palin," McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds told FOX News. "She was a threat to Barack Obama, and Barack Obama's campaign and his allies in the media attacked her background, attacked her standing -- just like they're doing with an everyday average voter that asked Barack Obama a question."

Wurzelbacher was catapulted into the most instant and unexpected kind of stardom after he asked Obama some critical questions about his tax policy in Ohio over the weekend. The video, which included Obama's response -- and now a Republican rallying cry -- that he wants to "spread the wealth around," went viral. McCain took up the cause of Joe at the final presidential debate.

The two candidates invoked his name more than two-dozen times, while Joe himself watched in shock.

"We've really gotta hand it to Joe," Sarah Palin said at a rally in Ohio Friday. "Somehow he got Barack Obama to finally state his intentions in plain language."

But as is the case with many celebrities -- and Wurzelbacher cheekily said he feared becoming another Britney Spears -- his story and relevance was at first heralded, then scrutinized, then neutralized, only on a remarkably accelerated timeline.

The opposition research to Joe (it's uncertain when being a voter turned one into the opposition) seemed to begin instantly. Allegations on the Internet range from claims that he is not a registered voter to suspicions that he was a Republican plant to rumors that he's related to notorious banker Charles Keating, namesake of the Keating Five scandal that embroiled McCain in the 1980s.

And hats off to the Toledo Blade for digging up his divorce records to find he made $40,000 in 2006, nothing near the $250,000 he hoped to make by one day buying his boss' company and possibly becoming susceptible to Obama's proposed tax increases.

Daily Kos called him a "right wing loon." A blog on The Huffington Post pondered him carrying the mantle of the "Angry White Man." At least one Web site used the term "Plumbergate."

FOX News contributor Howard Wolfson, former Hillary Clinton spokesman, had at it when Joe the Plumber was broached as a topic on air Friday morning.

"He's not a plumber, his name's not Joe and he would actually get a tax cut under Barack Obama," he said. "What it says is that John McCain's campaign didn't vet Joe the Plumber."

The Ohio press later reported that Wurzelbacher does appear to be registered to vote -- as a Republican. And the Daily Kos even corrected The Huffington Post's claim that he was related to Charles Keating.

The jury's still out on whether he's a GOP spy.

Granted, Joe the Plumber didn't do himself any favors when he told CBS News' Katie Couric that Obama gave a "tap dance ... almost as good as Sammy Davis Jr."

Former GOP presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, who plans to interview Wurzelbacher on his FOX News show Saturday night, tried to put the plumber phenomenon in perspective.

"What he represents is not so much plumbing," Huckabee said. "What he represents is a guy who really just wants the government to leave him alone."

If the media are any example, good luck with that, Joe.
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Because "Plumber Joe" didn't follow the media party line.


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The jury's still out on whether he's a GOP spy.


If he WAS a GOP spy, I'd be completely surprised. They would have vetted him better.


"What he represents is not so much plumbing," Huckabee said. "What he represents is a guy who really just wants the government to leave him alone."
Yep ... I totally agree with that.
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IF he was a GOP "spy", don't you think they would have paid off those owed taxes???


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I wonder now if Rosie the Riveter s name was really Rosie ?


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Good question somebody. Thanks! I never knew this story......



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Rosie the Riveter' model going strong at 85

By Loretta Waldman, The Hartford Courant

SIMSBURY, Conn. — At 79, Patricia Berberich is certainly old enough to have heard of Rosie the Riveter, but when it came to placing a face with the name, she admits her mind was blank.
So, when the woman dining with her one evening this spring at the McLean retirement home mentioned having been the model for artist Norman Rockwell's World War II-era heroine, Berberich politely excused herself to do a little research.

"My instinct was to get right to the Internet and look it up," she said. "Then I sent off to (the Norman Rockwell Museum in Stockbridge, Mass.) to get a poster so she could sign it."

Berberich was hardly the first to make that request of Rosie, whose real name is Mary Doyle Keefe. Since posing for Rockwell in 1942, she has signed countless posters and autographs.

The painting, for which Keefe posed twice and was paid $10, came to embody the can-do attitude of American women whose work helped win the war. It is arguably among the most recognizable images of World War II and transformed Keefe from a small-town switchboard operator into an American icon.

Keefe thinks of herself as an accidental celebrity and still gets a thrill out of telling her story of posing for Rockwell when she was a red-haired 19-year-old. She went on to graduate from college, work as a dental hygienist, marry and raise four children.

Now 85 and living in an apartment at the McLean Home, Keefe said the buzz surrounding her being Rosie began spreading soon after she moved there from New Hampshire two years ago to be closer to a daughter who lives in Granby.

"I got a kick out of it," said Berberich, a neighbor at McLean who dines with Keefe regularly. "I remember my classmates going off to war after graduation."

"It's quite an honor to be asked by Norman Rockwell to pose for a picture," added Marion Strindberg, another neighbor at the home. "It's generally known, but she just told a small group of us. She is very quiet about it. Word went around slowly."

Asked to recount the serendipitous events that led to her fateful encounter with Rockwell, Keefe recites a well-worn script she committed to memory long ago. She was living with her family in Arlington, Vt., at the time, not far from where Rockwell lived with his family and had a studio.

"The telephone office was in my mom's house, and he would come in to pay his bill," Keefe recalled. "He knew who I was and asked if I would sit for a picture. Gene Pelham, his photographer who moved from New York, would take a picture and Norman Rockwell would cut out what he wanted. You didn't sit there while he was painting the whole thing, which was good."

For the first sitting, Keefe wore a white blouse beneath her overalls and a pair of saddle shoes. The look, however, wasn't quite right, she said, so Rockwell had her pose a second time wearing a blue blouse and penny loafers

Keefe said she has received endless ribbing about the now famous image of a brawny working woman breaking for lunch with a ham sandwich in hand, pneumatic riveter on her lap and copy of Hitler's Mein Kampf underfoot. Her body looked nothing like that in real life, said Keefe, especially the muscular arms. Rockwell sent her a written apology.

"The kidding you took was all my fault, because I really thought you were the most beautiful woman I had ever seen," Rockwell wrote in the 1967 letter.

Rosie first appeared in 1943 on the cover of The Saturday Evening Post and, later, on war bond posters. Keefe said she didn't think of herself as special. Lots of townspeople posed for Rockwell during the 10 years he lived in Arlington, she said, including her uncle, who was in all four of the well-known Rockwell images popularly known as the "Four Freedoms".

Keefe's oldest son, Bill Keefe, recalls family trips to Arlington as a boy when his mother would walk down the street saying this or that person "was in such and such a painting by Rockwell."

"It was always a topic of conversation," he said. "It's part of the Keefe family legacy. We never had a problem coming up with a unique school project or something for show and tell."

But perhaps his proudest memory is of the Rockwell exhibition at the Corcoran Gallery of Art in Washington, D.C., about 10 years ago, to which his parents were invited and given a private tour. And in 2002, Mary Keefe and her late husband, Bob, were invited to New York by Sotheby's for an auction at which the Rosie the Riveter painting fetched $4.9 million, the world record for Rockwell's work at that time.

There, and at dozens of other events, Mary Keefe has gladly signed posters and given brief talks about her experience. She also has been a guest on national television, appearing on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno and Good Morning America during the 50th anniversary of D-Day.

At McLean, she keeps a lower profile, but even there can't escape attention.

To promote a Nov. 5 flu shot clinic for employees, Denise Yorio, a registered nurse and staff infection control practitioner, put up posters bearing Rosie's image and asked Keefe to autograph pictures. Nurses dressed up in "Rosie get-ups," she said, and rolled up their sleeves.

"We made it a big social event," Yorio said. "We've never done so many in such a short time."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-11-18-rosie-riveter_N.htm


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Sal---are you serious??? Who cares about Joe the plumber-----could you please enlighten me on Paris Hilton's itinerary for next week????

Joe Plumber----was Joe smoke up our butts for BOTH PARTIES......DO NOT MISTAKE THAT PLAY........they are trying to put a 'magnet' in the middle of
the sheeple to 'bring us together again'........sorry the pasture is without clover..........get over it boys and girls and find the foundation again.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Media unfairly ganging up on ‘Joe the Plumber’


    A concerned citizen [“Joe the Plumber”] questions a presidential candidate about specifics regarding that candidate’s tax plan and suddenly he is vilified in the press [Oct. 17 Gazette].
His personal business is put on display as though he had committed some awful crime. The press seems to be trying to get the rest of us regular “Joes” to dissociate ourselves with him.
I guess poor old Joe is being used to serve as a warning to the rest of us.

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Government computers used to find information on Joe the Plumber
Investigators trying to determine whether access was illegal
Friday,  October 24, 2008 8:57 PM
By Randy Ludlow

The Columbus Dispatch
"State and local officials are investigating if state and law-enforcement computer systems were illegally accessed when they were tapped for personal information about "Joe the Plumber."

Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher became part of the national political lexicon Oct. 15 when Republican presidential candidate John McCain mentioned him frequently during his final debate with Democrat Barack Obama.

The 34-year-old from the Toledo suburb of Holland is held out by McCain as an example of an American who would be harmed by Obama's tax proposals.

Public records requested by The Dispatch disclose that information on Wurzelbacher's driver's license or his sport-utility vehicle was pulled from the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles database three times shortly after the debate.

Information on Wurzelbacher was accessed by accounts assigned to the office of Ohio Attorney General Nancy H. Rogers, the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency and the Toledo Police Department.

It has not been determined who checked on Wurzelbacher, or why. Direct access to driver's license and vehicle registration information from BMV computers is restricted to legitimate law enforcement and government business.

Paul Lindsay, Ohio spokesman for the McCain campaign, attempted to portray the inquiries as politically motivated. "It's outrageous to see how quickly Barack Obama's allies would abuse government power in an attempt to smear a private citizen who dared to ask a legitimate question," he said.

Isaac Baker, Obama's Ohio spokesman, denounced Lindsay's statement as charges of desperation from a campaign running out of time. "Invasions of privacy should not be tolerated.  If these records were accessed inappropriately, it had nothing to do with our campaign and should be investigated fully," he said.

The attorney general's office is investigating if the access of Wuzelbacher's BMV information through the office's Ohio Law Enforcement Gateway computer system was unauthorized, said spokeswoman Jennifer Brindisi.

"We're trying to pinpoint where it came from," she said. The investigation could become "criminal in nature," she said. Brindisi would not identify the account that pulled the information on Oct. 16.

Records show it was a "test account" assigned to the information technology section of the attorney general's office, said Department of Public Safety spokesman Thomas Hunter.

Brindisi later said investigators have confirmed that Wurzelbacher's information was not accessed within the attorney general's office. She declined to provide details. The office's test accounts are shared with and used by other law enforcement-related agencies, she said.

On Oct. 17, BMV information on Wurzelbacher was obtained through an account used by the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency in Cleveland, records show.

Mary Denihan, spokeswoman for the county agency, said the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services contacted the agency today and requested an investigation of the access to Wurzelbacher's information. Cuyahoga County court records do not show any child-support cases involving Wurzelbacher.

The State Highway Patrol, which administers the Law Enforcement Automated Data System in Ohio, asked Toledo police to explain why it pulled BMV information on Wurzelbacher within 48 hours of the debate, Hunter said.

The LEADS system also can be used to check for warrants and criminal histories, but such checks would not be reflected on the records obtained by The Dispatch.

Sgt. Tim Campbell, a Toledo police spokesman, said he could not provide any information because the department only had learned of the State Highway Patrol inquiry today.

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"Hi Im Joe the real estate mogul.I buy & flip foreclosed homes for huge turnovers.And I have confidence in John McCain to fix this mortgage crisis."


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Personally I don't think either McCain or Obama can fix what took many years to create. People in this country are in for a big surprise when they all have to learn to live within their means and maybe even sell some of their expensive toys that they can't afford.
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I agree shadow. Niether Obama or McCain will be able to reverse this mess that started almost 2 decades ago. That is why Istill say they should have let the cards fall wherever! Let it crash. At least the next president, whoever that may be, would be able to start fresh from the ground up. (hopefully) And don't be fooled...even with Obama in, it WILL remain the status quo! They are all the same...really! They just 'look' different.


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Let's not forget the current congress that brought us into this mess. And they've got nerve to talk about BUSH's approval rating.
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