you are all theo-logians now which amuses me no end

Quoted from bumblethru

I find it difficult if not impossible to mix or compare religious faiths with logic. Faith is void of logic and logic is void of faith. There is no comparison. Clearly just an ideology of how one approaches the subject.

Faith is loqic....the problem beinq that it cannot truly be loqically expressed/impressed to another unless the other person has it
inside as an experience......

BTW-Ockham, I was deliberately tryinq to KISS(keep it simple).....to see and hear responses......loqic just like faith is difficult to
impress we all need a P to qet to Q..........

disclaimer: the 7th letter of the alphabet is not workinq on my keyboard so I have replaced it with a Q........until I qet to the store

ps...can anyone tell??

Pure faith is, indeed, based upon logic.  Those presenting the 'belief', be they priests, Imans, or KKK, always present at least what seems like a logical chain to support their belief structures, and at the same time must necessarily pander to some specific aspect shared by their audience.  While all evidence suggests, for example, that there is no after-life, all major religions offer one to people - almost none of whom really wish to die, ever!  Part of the logical structure of the presentation is invariably 'positive reinforcement;' usually anecdotes supporting the belief being put forth - Mary and Methuselah’s father Enoch never died, ‘but ascended into Heaven.’

The point is that, while pure faith might be completely illogical at times, the structures behind the belief invariably have solid logical framework.

Aqree.......

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you are all theo-logians now which amuses me no end

Sal, quoting a calling does not place you as a member of it. Actully, I've thought about this one for several days and come to the conclusion that you're correct - we are all theologians, including you! (And it doesn't matter whether or not you believe in a divinity.)

Each of us, particularly those of us involved in a formal religion, have an image of the creator handed to us.  Almost immediately, because we are humans, we begin tweaking.  We reshape that deity in small increments and turn it into one we can accept, even if that means no deity at all.  For those of us who have someone to actually pray to, for example, most of us believe, and engage, in bartering.  "Dear Lord, if you help me win over Casandra's heart (insert ANY situational wish here), I'll do/become/give you such and such."  Just this modifies the supreme being, as very few of such that I'm aware of are into haggling, but that doesn't dissuade us.  Generally, they want offerings first with no strings attached - that's how to be holy; a circumstance each of us also defines.  In little ways we 'cheat' on doctrine and dogma.  For Christians the most prevalent would seem to be an apparent rejection of the concept that, "All pleasure must come from God."  I mean, look at how damn many Christians there are now.  Somehow, I think that more than a few arrived here as a result of other-than Godly pleasure(s).

Good post Ock!

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In little ways we 'cheat' on doctrine and dogma.  For Christians the most prevalent would seem to be an apparent rejection of the concept that, "All pleasure must come from God."  I mean, look at how damn many Christians there are now.  Somehow, I think that more than a few arrived here as a result of other-than Godly pleasure(s).

therein lies my reference to capitalism and church, no just the roman catholic church.....stocks or mass cards? JMHO