look here, what use are teets on a bull or a skinny hog that you cant get bacon outta. These here policemen are fodder for the demos and if they cant be utilized as political livestock to control a party they have become the bull with teets and the hog with skin and bones. What is the sense of keepintg them when they can be schaffed. The demos need something oytr of them if they are gonna pay them. Otherwise theyt gotta be sacrificed and I got big news for the board - the only repubs left in the county are the ones in rotterdam and when the demos want Harry B to run all the cops do any of us here think Stevie T will be first in the line :to stand up and say WAIT A MINUTE I WANT TO PROCTECT THE POLICEMEN OF MY TOWN. no the demos will have Steve { one of the nicest men alive} to eat for the breakfast, and they will put sugar on him and roast him and all eat him up, wiping the slop off the faces. He wont have the gotz to strand tall he will say please study this first. OR something good anf nice, while Savage eats him for breakfast and the rest tear his arms and legs off while he looks confused. I know him and watch him hem and haw more and more and he is not up to mixing it up like Mr Farley does with these demos. Cant any of you see the channel 16 over there and see how they will steamroll him like Spitzer said. the other towns??? Well they are demos and they do exactly as commanded by Susie Savage and the rest. Rene can tell us what she will do but I dont think Princetown has a police force and if they do it is pretty small. So the battle will be fought here in this town and Steve and his lawyers wont be able to out - trick Savage and hers. The police will fall, 2 maybe 3 years gone. All becoming sheriffs and all patrolling over there on Mumford street and that. mark my words my friends. I fell sick already because so many of my friends will need to be kissing behinds of the demos far worse then before or ever.

Quoted from 191

look here, what use are teets on a bull or a skinny hog that you cant get bacon outta. These here policemen are fodder for the demos and if they cant be utilized as political livestock to control a party they have become the bull with teets and the hog with skin and bones. What is the sense of keepintg them when they can be schaffed. The demos need something oytr of them if they are gonna pay them. Otherwise theyt gotta be sacrificed and I got big news for the board - the only repubs left in the county are the ones in rotterdam and when the demos want Harry B to run all the cops do any of us here think Stevie T will be first in the line :to stand up and say WAIT A MINUTE I WANT TO PROCTECT THE POLICEMEN OF MY TOWN. no the demos will have Steve { one of the nicest men alive} to eat for the breakfast, and they will put sugar on him and roast him and all eat him up, wiping the slop off the faces. He wont have the gotz to strand tall he will say please study this first. OR something good anf nice, while Savage eats him for breakfast and the rest tear his arms and legs off while he looks confused. I know him and watch him hem and haw more and more and he is not up to mixing it up like Mr Farley does with these demos. Cant any of you see the channel 16 over there and see how they will steamroll him like Spitzer said. the other towns??? Well they are demos and they do exactly as commanded by Susie Savage and the rest. Rene can tell us what she will do but I dont think Princetown has a police force and if they do it is pretty small. So the battle will be fought here in this town and Steve and his lawyers wont be able to out - trick Savage and hers. The police will fall, 2 maybe 3 years gone. All becoming sheriffs and all patrolling over there on Mumford street and that. mark my words my friends. I fell sick already because so many of my friends will need to be kissing behinds of the demos far worse then before or ever.

will not  happen in this lifetime

bgage68, I could only hope your are correct. But talking to several people today, they actually said the same thing sal posted. Some were dems and some reps. The first time I even heard of these things was when sal posted it here. To be honest, I thought he/she was off his/her rocker a bit. (sorry sal) But there are people out there saying the same thing.

All I can say is that IF the dems gain total control of ALL our men in blue, we will clearly be living in a county that will be ruled by a complete communist dictatorship! The way I see it.....the cops were used as pawns and were duped by the dems. And you are correct, Steve is too nice of a guy and would be no match for them.

Allow me a moment to see if I can follow the (il)logic of this scenario.

By your account, if the Democrats continue to control the Conservative party line, they will not use their power to change the balance of authority and jurisdiction between the county Sheriff department and the law enforcement agencies of the local municipalities?  The Democrats currently have an 11-4 majority in the county legislature and could enact this plan today with ease.

If, however, according to you, the Democrats lose the control of the Conservative party, which you admit that they presently have, they will punish the police and put the law enforcement "consolidation plan" in action.

There are several problems that I have with all of this.  

Sal, you are admittedly a supporter of the status quo in the Conservative party.

Second, the Conservative party is about a political ideology.  It is not a tool to be used by a special interest group to advance personal causes, but rather to promote conservative ideals in government.  The membership has been infiltrated in the past 2 to 3 years by outside forces who have used it to promote liberal Democratic candidates for office.  I was explicitly told by a long time and influential Conservative party committeeman during the May mixer that the Conservative Party supports those that the Executive Board believes will win the races, whether they are liberal or conservative, so that the party can obtain the support of the candidate and that the party can continue to exist.  To this I ask, to what meaningful end?  The existence of any party is unimportant if the mission of the party includes abandoning priniciples.

Finally, if the Conservative party is rightfully returned to those who possess the ideals of the conservatism, what leads you to believe that those Democrats who are threatening to take the actions that you discuss will be elected to office?  The Conservative party endorsement and the support of the party membership is often the deciding factor in elections.  Once control of the party committee and the Executive Board is returned to traditional conservatives, the endorsements will be awarded to those candidates of any party who possess conservative ideals and positions on the issues facing our county.  I will predict that this won't include the Democrats who you identified in your post.

Folks, don't be fooled by the smoke and mirror act and the fear tactics being employed by the advocates of the current regime.  As I stated long ago, I am a true Conservative with conservative positions on fiscal and social issues.  I am a member of the reform movement to retake control of my party.  You are aware of my work in fighting for conservative candidates and for demanding government transparency and accountability.  I have opined about wasteful government spending and oppressive government control since I joined this forum.

On August 9th, the party membership will have the opportunity to choose between those who have been endorsing liberal Democrats and those who will promote conservative principles.  Though I have known Sal's position since he first posted at this forum, I believe, from my discussions with members, that the majority of party members will support those who will restore conservatism to the party.

Poor Steve who is is the perreniall mister 'nice guy' will be nothing but an apetizer on a silver platter for Ms. Susie and that county lawyer. They sharpen the knives and drool like wolves at the thought of getting him and he doesnt even know it. Now what can be told is that without the leading of the conservative party our men in blue are also being served up since they will be of no use any longer to the leaders at the county who have tremendous power, and this will be sold over to the people of schene' as being a savings of millions and millions and immediate tax reductions and each and every town wil ljust pay the bill to the county for the police, but here is what happened my friends when the county designed the sherriff road patroller - they were suppoed to be driving through Delanson and Duanesburg and Princetown only yet they are really driving around in Rotterdam and Glenville and even in the city of Schen' [ which is the turf exclusively of SPD who are trained at their jobs] and they even went as far to pull over our OWN CHIEF of police in Rotterdam and tried to give him a ticket a few years ago too. This my dearest friends you will never read in papers or any other blogspot on the internet, but go out and ask around when you see one of our boys in blue. they will tell you how aggressive the demos have become in the hope of getting the policemen out of those jobs and into shefrriffs uniforms. Over here in Rotterdam we love our police and what they do to keep the crimnals down. Furthermore they are patrolling each street and know the beat, once they become county sherriffs they instantly go where Mr HArry B and his sup[ervisors tell them to go. Where do we all think that will be??? Come here people and fill in the blanks??? Where did the demos really get the votes and where didnt they? DO we think they will give the repub areas first dibs and best coverage - NOOOO - they will make sure central park, downtown and of course the famous Hamilton hill where th epeople vote 75% to 90% demo will be WELL loved, WELL protected and WELL covered. Over there in the county Ms Savage does things based merely on the politics, not like in counties where they serve the people. This lady serves demos only and herself and HER POWER. Mr Buffardi is no match, even if he WANTED to do right by people, they will drive him out and we will be forced with an evenr worse schen' county sherriff. We are doomed to see this in 2 or maybe 3 years over there. I am no demo, but my friends in the police will now face the the possiblity of be cut off at the pass. If the conservs stay as part of the police, therer is a high chance the my friend will be givern the under sheriff job at the end of his hitch in town here. This way the balance can be kept and the power shared and the apple cart will NOT be disturbed or tipped. Remember my frienfds not to tip the apple cart. I would like to think that a deal like this not be done in the long run and that the repubs will come back and take over the county gov' but HERE my friend is what will happen over there - NOTHING. The repubs will never beat Savge and her friends. Never. They may get a seat or maybe 2 but other than Ang who is a star, and the fighters Mr Farley and Joe S. I want each of you to look into the mirror and ask yourself what is the possiblity of the 3 of them doing anything amid the 11 demos and the other pesanovante Burmaster who is a sell out to the demos about 9 out of 10 times when they hold a vote over there. SO now I have to go since there are social plans, but enjoy your weekends and say your roasary huh? We dont need our police broken down and beaten by these liberal people over there in the county. We have to count on Ang and his few freinds, and I dont know if the big boys at the state {Jimmy and Georgie} will assist. It will be Ang, Mr Farley and Joe S all alone with a very quiet Stevie T and the rest hiding and being scared.

I just read the post mr L. I dont have the time to argue with you ver here and I dont want to since I like you and how you bust the stones of the metrolplex {crooks huh?} and respect you since you have prinicples. But later tonight when I get on the computer again I will write some more, my wife is yelling and you all know how that is so i gotta go

Poor Steve who is is the perreniall mister 'nice guy' will be nothing but an apetizer on a silver platter for Ms. Susie and that county lawyer. They sharpen the knives and drool like wolves at the thought of getting him and he doesnt even know it. Now what can be told is that without the leading of the conservative party our men in blue are also being served up since they will be of no use any longer to the leaders at the county who have tremendous power, and this will be sold over to the people of schene' as being a savings of millions and millions and immediate tax reductions and each and every town wil ljust pay the bill to the county for the police, but here is what happened my friends when the county designed the sherriff road patroller - they were suppoed to be driving through Delanson and Duanesburg and Princetown only yet they are really driving around in Rotterdam and Glenville and even in the city of Schen' [ which is the turf exclusively of SPD who are trained at their jobs] and they even went as far to pull over our OWN CHIEF of police in Rotterdam and tried to give him a ticket a few years ago too. This my dearest friends you will never read in papers or any other blogspot on the internet, but go out and ask around when you see one of our boys in blue. they will tell you how aggressive the demos have become in the hope of getting the policemen out of those jobs and into shefrriffs uniforms. Over here in Rotterdam we love our police and what they do to keep the crimnals down. Furthermore they are patrolling each street and know the beat, once they become county sherriffs they instantly go where Mr HArry B and his sup[ervisors tell them to go. Where do we all think that will be??? Come here people and fill in the blanks??? Where did the demos really get the votes and where didnt they? DO we think they will give the repub areas first dibs and best coverage - NOOOO - they will make sure central park, downtown and of course the famous Hamilton hill where th epeople vote 75% to 90% demo will be WELL loved, WELL protected and WELL covered. Over there in the county Ms Savage does things based merely on the politics, not like in counties where they serve the people. This lady serves demos only and herself and HER POWER. Mr Buffardi is no match, even if he WANTED to do right by people, they will drive him out and we will be forced with an evenr worse schen' county sherriff. We are doomed to see this in 2 or maybe 3 years over there. I am no demo, but my friends in the police will now face the the possiblity of be cut off at the pass. If the conservs stay as part of the police, therer is a high chance the my friend will be givern the under sheriff job at the end of his hitch in town here. This way the balance can be kept and the power shared and the apple cart will NOT be disturbed or tipped. Remember my frienfds not to tip the apple cart. I would like to think that a deal like this not be done in the long run and that the repubs will come back and take over the county gov' but HERE my friend is what will happen over there - NOTHING. The repubs will never beat Savge and her friends. Never. They may get a seat or maybe 2 but other than Ang who is a star, and the fighters Mr Farley and Joe S. I want each of you to look into the mirror and ask yourself what is the possiblity of the 3 of them doing anything amid the 11 demos and the other pesanovante Burmaster who is a sell out to the demos about 9 out of 10 times when they hold a vote over there. SO now I have to go since there are social plans, but enjoy your weekends and say your roasary huh? We dont need our police broken down and beaten by these liberal people over there in the county. We have to count on Ang and his few freinds, and I dont know if the big boys at the state {Jimmy and Georgie} will assist. It will be Ang, Mr Farley and Joe S all alone with a very quiet Stevie T and the rest hiding and being scared.

Sal,

My thoughts regarding the information are that if the scenario and arrangement that you describe are real, at what point does the Democratic control of the Conservative party end?  If the endorsements continue to be awarded to the Democrats, it will be a very short time before the Democratic party has absolute control and power of county and city government and that of the towns and villages.  Once a totalitarian state is established by the Democrats, what need will they have for the police or for the Conservative party?  If this arrangement exists as I believe you believe that it does, then it needs to be terminated before there is no way back.  To quote one of the wise posters on this forum, "Absolute power corrupts absolutely" (hope that I got that right)

Further, I would believe that the police unions have considerable power.  Would this consolidation plan not be challenged by them through the legal system?

One principle of Conservatism is that local control is favored over control by higher levels of government.  It should be the decision of the residents of the City of Schenectady and the towns if they wish to continue supporting their local police forces.

I look forward to your upcoming posts.

Ya'll are missing the point----IT IS WAY BIGGER THAN JUST SCHENECTADY.......Patriot Act/Homeland Security/RealID........look out further........the 'parties' truly dont matter.....it's the ending that matters.....we all know that folks change parties based on what??---

those who control the money control the masses
those who control the guns control the masses

and---last but not least----everyone likes power and control.........so tell me---WHO IS IN CHARGE??????

I gotta say----s@#$ rolls downhill.........

Well, I agree with Brad on all counts. And might I add that what the cops sold their soul for a few years ago, will happen eventually anyway. Schenectady County may end up having ONE  police force under the authority of the Sheriff's dept..  Never make a deal with the devil!

I don't know if my memory serves me right here, but 'I think' that back when there was the police commissioner fiasco in Rotterdam, there was mention of consolidation in the air then. Actually John Mertz mentioned 'consolidation' at a few town board meetings. So I believe he already had the foresight. And that perhaps was the driving force the newly proposed police commissioner, John Mertz, was trying to prevent in the future. John Mertz would have played a key role in keeping the RPD solid and sovereign from consolidation with the rest of the county. And they should have let that happen,cause it appears that Mertz is the only one on that board with a 'set'! He would NEVER let the RPD get eaten up by the city without one hell of a fight!  Again, I could be having a confused memory loss here!

True conservatives must take the party back and stop playing politics. It is time to indorse REAL conservs that have the true conservative ideology. It IS time for a change!

Sal,

I believe that the taking back of the conservative party by the ideologues will actually serve as a beachhead for a republican/conservative movement within the county.  As long as the right person is steering the party. (I don't know if Rhinesmith is that person)  

If your dooms day senerio is correct, and the consolidation happens.  Do you actually believe the bulk of the police patrols will take place within the city limits, serving to the current majority's democrat constituency, leaving the surrounding towns thin on coverage?  I believe if that were to happen, the residents of those townships with lack of coverage would react by voting republican/conservative representatives to the county legislator, making sure they were properly represented.

People are acting as if this is all happening in a vacuum.  There will be many elections cycles in Schenectady County over the next few years, with opportunities to change the current balance of power of the County legislator and also the Townships within the County. And if police services to surrounding towns were compromised because of consolidation, there would be an instant knee jerk reaction to vote those who hold the majority out of office.  

Pandering to police departments while the rest of the County falls down around us isn't the smartest approach to solving the many problems we face either.  It seems pretty short sighted if you ask me.  

If your dooms day scenario does come to fruition.  We can  consider it 'the shot heard round the world' and the start of a political revolution in Schenectady County.

Cicero sir, you said something about the people revolting an d voting in the conserv/repubs because they would be mad at the demos over the police coverage and patrolling of just city limits, well sir this is the fact - the repubs will never be able to win any more seats in the county other than maybe the 4 or the 5 in total they have, break it down over here with me. first I did my math and saw what is happening next year and it is I think 5 demo in - office now people which we might call the incumbents. These would be Savage, Gordon and probably Finn since they are running a no name meds a meds against Mike Finn and who evem knows the gents name? Then we have the former mayor of the shining city of Schenec' Johnson and last but most formidable Judy Dag. All of them are shoo-ins at any rate and then the repubs have 1 incumbant who is Joe S and I think he is become very beatable since no one knows him, he isn't Italian and after the lawsuit the MaL_ozi's have him on the ropes. All the demos need to say is JOE S LIED ABOUT THE NICE MAL_OZI GIRL AND SMEARED HER WITH MUD SO BAD SHE HAD TO SUE HIM plus the Schenectady Chemicals fiasco with teh pilot program and free taxes Joe S arranged through the ida and who will the demos run with Joe S?? Bill sherman who is taking pork from Tedisco? CMON! That is 2 demos seats plus the other seats so then the demos will end up with 12 seats if my math is then right. Now you have Mr. Farley WHO WONT BE BEAT EVER and James Burmaster {talk about meds a meds} and ANGELO WHO THE DEMOS CAN NEVER BEAT, EVER. So we have 2 and a 1/2 repubs left next year and that is th eend of the repubs and when Mr Farley goes to replace his elder Farley in the NY senate then we have one and one half repubs so fuggedabouddit!!!!  HAHA the repubs are sunk sad to say, for eternal years. S o we need some help and that help is the police force and men in blue

In the short run, you may be correct.  But if the Conservatives and the Republicans would get their heads out of their asses and mount a campaign, outlining the impact that a consolidation would have on the local municipalities in Schenectady County, maybe,,,,,,, just maybe, they could win seats based on the common ideology both Republicans and Conservatives have, which is smaller government.(I'm not so sure about Republicans).  And another thing......Nobody's ousting the police from the party, just trying to take it into a new direction.  The current party leaders are welcome to work with the party.  Using the party to change county politics, not just the preservation of townie police.

I'm not sure I understand your logic of allowing the Conservative Party to be manipulated by Democrats, and having the Conservative party line endorse Democrats, increases the chances of Republicans getting elected.   Please explain to me how the current Conservative Party endorsing Democrats helps Republican or Conservative candidates?  It doesn't......It only helps those who currently control the party.  The police!

The difference I see between local Democrats and local Republicans is, Republicans are happy to preserve their little piece of the political pie, while the Democrats aren't satisfied until they get the whole pie.  

th conservatives are never manipulated by the demos they just wheel n' deal with them so that if they give a few endorsements then the demos won't steam roll the police forces under. And the republicans are never gonna win noting overe here in the county what is so hard to capice? So giving them the line wont matter since the police will vote demos, the unions vote demo and the bsuinesses also vote demo around these here parts. After next year the repubs will be down to 2 and a 1/2 votes to count on and yes it is sad but impossible to reverse indeed. We need the conservatives to be strong and have a few bargaining chips which if the policemen have the control then they will get some good concessions from the demos. There wont be repubs winning except maybe here in rotterdam where they have the numbers on the board but even over here - lets face the truth - Stevie T is over his head as honest and good hearted the man is, he will be mangied by the demos when they get the goiod candidate. Here ia a man who facing the demos with an endless bank- roll has never to my knowledge ever ever had a fund - raiser while he was the superv. He has no idea ho to win if it werent for the irishman Buchanan who is a murderer un,like most the repubs. Ang was the best but most have flaws much bigger and need a tough SOB like Buchanan the chaiman. He is like Richard Cheney who is fighting for Bush since Bush never fights for himself. Remember that last election when Cheney was the hatchet man - well this is Buchanan for Stevie, but one day Stevie will be all alone and have no one to fight his battles for him. This is not my main point, which is that over here in this county the demos are shoe-ins 100 per-cent. first Suhrada goes down hard then they go after Burmaster who will get crushed the next time since he is so mushaad and spineless. no real conservs' will voite for him since he is a half republican. No one even will want to run with the repubs after the way they lose. just forget it. Now dont get me wrong I will vote for Suhrada and Sherman but lets admit they will lose without the police and fire backing them plus the lawsuit hanging on them, shermans pork patronage job, suhrada not being at the events, and all of that. No hope for us.

Ya know, I was just thinking....the city government practically runs the gazette. The gazette will NOT print anything the city government doesn't want in print. YET..they continue to allow the gazette to print every little detail about the SPD. And everything is negative. Perhaps paving the way for consolidation. Stratton who ultimately is in charge of the SPD and is paid by the taxpayers to take charge and he just let them do as they pleased. So what does Stratton do....he pisses and moans on how bad the SPD is and that he can no longer handle them and hires Wayne Bennett, at the taxpayers expense, to straighten out the department. In all do respect to Mr. Bennett, crime is still dominating the gazette with no resolve. The city never takes responsibility for 'inviting' in the lowlifes who make a career off our taxpaid welfare system. Instead the blame is clearly placed on the SPD!!

Now we all know that the SPD does not have a pearly white record, but the crime in the city is almost impossible to contain. I heard from some folks who went to that summer night thing Friday night that was down town. I asked if any undesirables were present. They said some where but there were cops everywhere. So ya see...that is what the city has to do in order to protect the people. THE PLACE IS NOT SAFE!!!