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Personal choice and personal responsibility just don't seem to be in our vocabulary anymore. Like I stated in another post, "I made the personal choice to smoke".

I have three adult children and "they made the personal choice not to smoke". Two of them did smoke at one time but, "they made the personal choice to quit" years ago.
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As an ex-smoker of too many years I found it difficulty to say the least to quit smoking. It was my choice when I was a youngster to decide to smoke in the first place so I made a bad decision and it wasn't advertising on the TV that influenced me.  
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The government/medical society and every bleeding heart liberal would like nothing more than to make us all feel like victims of society. This allows them the luxury of dipping into our pockets in the name of taxes to fund programs for 'people who make bad choices'. There is clearly more information available through the internet, magazines, tv, media, library etc....on the positive and negative effects of just about everything out there. Ya don't need to be an expert...just literate!!


More like give you an oportunity to help your fellow man-  The thought process of the " compassionate conservative " is hard to figure out.  They always like to thow  paranoia in there- you know someone is always trying to get thier  wallet.-  



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Helping your fellow man starts with the person we look at everyday in the mirror. OURSELVES!! We have become so complacent, that we do in fact depend on the government to take care of our woes. And it costs $$$$$ to take care of our woes. So the government comes up with words like, addiction and dysfunctional and poor and minority etc....in other words VICTIMS! And that my friend is NOT helping our fellow man. It is just keeping him/her down so the government can boast about how wonderfully they take care of their citizens. And a fine job they are doing, wouldn't ya say?


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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An excellent argument for not lifting a finger-


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Compassionate Conservatism was a campaign slogan to get G.W. Bush elected.  Compassion is an emotion that only the individual can act upon.  Helping people through selfless acts of compassion.  It can't be legislated by government, and force people to pay into a system that supposed to help their fellow man.  Because what you end up with is, resentment toward those who they are supposed to be helping.  

Conservatives believe in personal responsibility.  Whether it's our personal responsibility to take care of your fellow man, either by donating money or time to a church organization, or one of the many other non-governmental charitable organizations which help those in need.  Not by forcing money out of my pocket to pay into a huge bureaucratic welfare program which has been proven to be ineffective.  Or the belief that those who they are helping need to take personal responsibility for themselves and their actions, and that the compassion isn't unconditional.  Throwing unlimited amounts of money at generational poverty or habitual drug use only perpetuates the bad behavior.  

So let me try to break down the thought process.

Personal responsibility
Large government programs ineffective
Empowering the individual
Excuses aren't answers


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My primary college education was phys ed-  I have felt for years that we are a nation of fat pigs-

The concept of personal responsibility in health care (exercising, maintaining a healthy weight, and not smoking)  is  rewarded by feeling better and spending less money.  Now that sounds Republican-

Addiction to being lazy is very powerful-   or wait its really a personal choice-


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We all have to take responsibility for our weight and physical condition and you're right being lazy is a personal choice. My primary college education was forestry always outside in the weather and lots of physical activity and fresh air. The real benefit is being healthy and not having to use the health care system except for physicals in order to get my prescriptions renewed.
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Addiction to being lazy is very powerful-   or wait its really a personal choice-


I guess it depends if we are going by the pre 2000 medical and legal definition of ADDICTION. The user of lazy has to increase the dose of lazy, in order to reach the high of slothfulness.  Only then, may they be an ADDICT.



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In response to Cicero's post #20 of this thread, a hearty Amen.
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...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Sounds like most have grown up with the paradigm that God helps those that help themselves -

Maybe my thinking is different- my grandmother told us God helps those that cant help themselves-


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Otay then....let's put it in the hands of God and take it out of the government's hands. I'm sure God could do a better job. Sounds reasonable right? EXCEPT....there is no mention in the Bible that says..."God helps those that help themselves" OR "God helps those who can't help themselves". If there is I must have skipped over it. Perhaps your grandmother told you what verse that was from and could share it with us.


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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Lighten up - there is no scripture or verse- She also said- When you pray- move your feet-

Maybe you  might want to check out the Beatitudes one more time though-


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I believe it was Ben Franklin who was quoted in an Almanac say "God helps those who help themselves"


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