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Americans must work harder and provide their own health care

    Re Danielle Marion’s Jan. 30 letter, “U.S. must provide free health care for all citizens”: If she were in office, our nation would be in a great deal of trouble.
    What she wants for our country is nothing short of socialism. Perhaps she should brush up on her world history because a brief study of the Soviet Union would reveal to her that socialism does not work. And while she’s at it, she should try reading a little about economics, which she obviously don’t understand, either.
    It seems to me that the only things that need to change are people like her, who intend to rob working Americans of their hard-earned dollars. People like her, who are in favor of laziness and support lack of progress and innovation, need to change.
    It seems that the principles of our forefathers have been forgotten: Pride, dignity, hard work.
    We also forget the days where an employee would chop off his finger in a machine but would have to stay and work because there was a line of people who would take his job in an instant. People used to want to work and support themselves and their families.
If people cannot afford health care, then they need only to work harder.
People who believe that their fellow Americans would be willing to pay more in taxes so that everyone can have health care are sadly mistaken. However, for those who feel that the wealth of the country as a whole is more important than the wealth of those who earn it, I encourage them to pay for those who don’t pull their own weight.
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However, for those who feel that the wealth of the country as a whole is more important than the wealth of those who earn it, I encourage them to pay for those who don’t pull their own weight.
Well said Mr. Parisi. The entire article was right on target!

And because health care is on the brink of collapse, and at the top of the political 'to do' list, we need to listen very carefully to each presidential candidate and hear what their stand is on health care. If their platform is based on universal health care...NO VOTE!! Cause believe me people, that will be first on the new president's agenda. Especially Ms. Hillary!!!! >


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If Hillary had her way the government would be running every program because she doesn't think that we're able to make those decisions by ourselves.
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If Hillary had her way the government would be running every program because she doesn't think that we're able to make those decisions by ourselves.


Like how she plans to "adjust your income by a "small" percentage?"  Give me a break, Hilly! (or is it Billary?)


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She is the epitomy of Whitewater and the rest of the mortgage mess----poor example/leader......Bill was the epitomy of 'not' inhaling and 'not' having sex----poor example/leader......

not that any leader would be perfect, but if we can accept our poor decision and call it what it is and take our stripes, even if it means falling down and being crucified, then that is what we are to do.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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My allergies are acting up today, can't sleep.  That letter writer is wrong.  People work hard but it's the corporate greed that is stopping people from having health care.  Jobs are going overseas and the jobs the are "replacing" them, ie. retail, is not providing it.  

I wouldn't want anything to do with goverment running our health care.


Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent.  
Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
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Critic of universal health care was badly misinformed

    The Feb. 11 letter by Aaron Parisi, “Americans must work harder and provide their own health care,” contains some factual errors and strange ideas in regard to universal health care.
    He says the United States “would be in a great deal of trouble” if we had universal health care. Most European countries have had universal health care for decades. Anyone who has traveled in Europe has surely seen that Europeans enjoy a fairly high quality of life, and are hardly “in a great deal of trouble.”
    He says that universal health care is socialism, as if simply labeling something proved that it was bad. Universal health care is a social program, not socialism. Socialism is a system in which the government owns the means of producing and distributing goods. One may debate the merits of universal health care or any social program, but simply labeling it socialism contributes nothing to the debate.
    He says that a previous letter writer should brush up on world history and, in the same sentence, displays a fundamental lack of knowledge about the history of the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union did not collapse because of health care or any social programs; it collapsed because government production and distribution of goods proved to be very inefficient relative to the production and distribution of goods in capitalistic nations.
    He talks approvingly of the good old days when an employee would lose a finger in a machine and stay at work because there was a line of people waiting to take his job. We didn’t need sissy things like health insurance or workers’ compensation in those good old days. So what if workers were injured, crippled or killed in industrial accidents.
    He says, “If people cannot afford health care, then they need only to work harder.” Tell that to a single parent earning near-minimum wage, who also has to deal with grocery shopping, washing, cooking, caring for children, etc. Check out the cost of individual health insurance for a family and calculate how many additional hours one must work at minimum wage to pay for it.
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In the words of P J O'Rourke, "if you think that health-care is expensive now just wait until is free".
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   People work hard but it's the corporate greed that is stopping people from having health care.  


Nobody is being stopped from getting health care.  It's illegal for a hospital to refuse treatment to anyone who walks in.  Even if that person illegally in the country.  They still get treated.  The problem is, is that people believe they should receive Rolls Royce health care on a Yugo income.  What's the next thing the government is going to tell us, everybody should live in a house no less than 2400 square foot, or everybody is entitled to own luxury sedans.  Maybe cable TV will be the next service that the bureaucrats in Washington will tell us that every American is entitled to.  Yeah...... that's it, Universal Cable Television.  The Democrats will claim that it's a Constitutional right that every American shall have cable streamed into their homes, consisting of 6 channels; CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, CNBC, and of course C-SPAN.



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Nobody is being stopped from getting health care.  It's illegal for a hospital to refuse treatment to anyone who walks in.  Even if that person illegally in the country.  They still get treated.  The problem is, is that people believe they should receive Rolls Royce health care on a Yugo income.


Sure- you get treated- then you get a BILL  maybe a couple hundred- maybe a few thousand or maybe a couple HUNDRED THOUSAND- if they have to save your life- and the bill may cripple you the rest of your life-

I am self employed- upper middle age- I pay $ 238 a month for a $2,500 deductable policy-  I dont go to the hospital for anything really. I go to clinics for the small stuff-

Someday I may need treatment for something serious- maybe a tripple bypass ( I hope not ) might cost a couple hundred grand


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Sure- you get treated- then you get a BILL  maybe a couple hundred- maybe a few thousand or maybe a couple HUNDRED THOUSAND- if they have to save your life- and the bill may cripple you the rest of your life-

I am self employed- upper middle age- I pay $ 238 a month for a $2,500 deductable policy-  I dont go to the hospital for anything really. I go to clinics for the small stuff-

Someday I may need treatment for something serious- maybe a tripple bypass ( I hope not ) might cost a couple hundred grand


Being self employed, you understand that you don't give away whatever goods or services you offer without being payed up front or with a reasonable expectation of payment(credit check), you BILL the person.   You wouldn't expect the government to tax every man, woman, and child so everybody could afford what your business offers?  Or maybe you would.

If a medical procedure or doctor saves your life, you don't think you should be indebted to them for life?  If you don't, then save your money don't get treated,and die with dignity.

I think the $8 a day to protect your health and assets is a fairly small fee to pay.  I certainly don't think it reaches the level of government run  health care system to fix it.  I just think that those who can afford it get their priorities straight.

Minimum wage will be $6.55 per hour as of july 24th.  1 hour and 15 mins. per day worth of wages would cover your health insurance premium.



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It is nothing new that some people have health care coverage and some don't. It is also nothing new that some people have better health care than others. It is nothing new that some health care is paid for by the taxpayer and some are provided by businesses. It is nothing new that some people are covered under government health care (medicare/caid).This is a fact of life that has existed forever.

What has changed is the mind thought from the people today. People are looking for something for nothing and they think that universal, government paid health care is the answer. What a major mistake!!!!!

Well folks, if you want to go as far as universal health care coverage, you might as well go for universal auto coverage and universal homeowners insurance. And while you're at it, go for everyone making the same wage across the board. Better yet....MOVE TO CHINA. Or better yet, get a public sector job!!


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It is nothing new that some people have health care coverage and some don't. It is also nothing new that some people have better health care than others. It is nothing new that some health care is paid for by the taxpayer and some are provided by businesses. It is nothing new that some people are covered under government health care (medicare/caid).This is a fact of life that has existed forever.

What has changed is the mind thought from the people today. People are looking for something for nothing and they think that universal, government paid health care is the answer. What a major mistake!!!!!

Well folks, if you want to go as far as universal health care coverage, you might as well go for universal auto coverage and universal homeowners insurance. And while you're at it, go for everyone making the same wage across the board. Better yet....MOVE TO CHINA. Or better yet, get a public sector job!!



Well, we are almost there, only we call them different names. I dont know about anyone else, but who's homeowners insurance, car insurance went up after 9/11 and katrina??? Mine sure as hell did.....if that aint a 'free capitalist' system I dont know what is. What do we have to show for it.....and shiny clean stadium for the Saints and a pile of rubble in NYC....yeah.....

SHOW ME THE $$ TRAIL..............

It's not free health care we want,,,,it's access.....if it is a debit/credit card or $$ that we call the key to it, we only have ourselves to blame...who here takes zocor(or any other statin) and continues to eat pizza/chicken wings etc?..who is diabetic and overweight and yet refuses to diet??....I bet alot of America that pays for their health insurance considers themselves entitled to abuse themselves and live on the 'edge'.... I for one like chicken wings/pizza and the nice greasy hamburgers.....I dont take statins, (yet, I'm sure)


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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