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MobileTerminal
July 3, 2008, 9:20am Report to Moderator
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Same story here JoAnn ... but be warned, if the person is a CURRENT patient, youo can't file a report/complaint without giving their name - and who the heck is gonna wanna do that and endanger the care they might receive while they're a patient

This is ridiculous
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Oh that doesn't bother me. I filed many complaints when my mom was in the hospital.

But I did call the State Health Dept's so called "Hot Line" today. I was told that unless the patient's health was compromised, they won't take the complaint. They said that if someone has an issue with Ellis, then call Ellis and complain. But they went on to say that Ellis won't take a complaint either unless their care or lack of care compromised a patient's health or recovery.

So I asked them who we could speak to if we had a general complaint about Ellis' ER. They said "no one".
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This is just crazy.

When someone dies and they get sued, THEN they'll say "oh, we didn't know there was an issue, there's no complaints on file"

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Sounds like a lot of this could be changed if they just let people know that both ER's were still open.  I see that the signs are posted here, and I'm sure, at the hospital.  Well, until I actually saw the signs, I didn't realize St. Clares  Ellis, McClellan Campus still had a full ER on hand.  I thought they were shutting that down completely.  I wonder if they have someone dusting the cobwebs from the doors yet, as they haven't had anyone there since they "closed" the ER.


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Yes, anyone can go to St. Clares ER but if you need to be admitted, you have to go to Ellis. There is no admittence at St. Clares any longer.
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Imagine the joy of an ambulance ride to the McClellan campus, evaluation, then being packed back in ANOTHER ambulance ride to Nott St.

Who pays for the second ambulance run?
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Imagine the joy of an ambulance ride to the McClellan campus, evaluation, then being packed back in ANOTHER ambulance ride to Nott St.

Who pays for the second ambulance run?
I can't imagine the insurance companies wanting to pay for both rides.

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And I don't think Mohawk is going to eat the fee .... so guess who loses, AGAIN.
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Let's just say----the government doing what it does best----it is 'creating a medical emergency' only to say "The corps admin dont know what they are doing. Let us(big daddy) filter you and triage you and dont forget we only pay for so many days, then YOUR OUT)".....

So now the Commission has EGG ON IT'S FACE.....well planned boys and girls.......now the state (same folks on the Commission) goes to 'investigate' itself.........

Dont worry----the trimming will be coming very very soon, and it WILL be by age and $$ still...........it's just a new 'boss' in town......no one gets anything for free----especially when it is from the government........healthcare dont by the government is just smoke up our butts.......


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Quoted from 147
This is just crazy.

When someone dies and they get sued, THEN they'll say "oh, we didn't know there was an issue, there's no complaints on file"



Best thing to do.  Ignore the "no complaints unless...."  

Write your complaint letter.  Send it out via "certified mail, return receipt requested."   Then you get the green copy (card) back with the signature of the person who signed for the letter.  

The prevents the "we didn't know...."


Optimists close their eyes and pretend problems are non existent.  
Better to have open eyes, see the truths, acknowledge the negatives, and
speak up for the people rather than the politicos and their rich cronies.
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What about the----"They told us......",,,,,,would that negate the "We didn't know....."??????????????????????


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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Ellis problems started with closing Bellevue

    I’m the son of the founders of Bellevue Hospital and would like to make some comments about the July 3 letter from Dennis Gavigan’s concerning the wait at Ellis emergency room.
    In my opinion, with the advent of the Berger Commission, I predict this is the beginning of universal health. Eliminating competition under the guise of too many beds; then why are we bedded in the halls?
    Government programs already control the payments to hospitals and doctors; when have cost controls ever worked, for any length of time, in our economy? What effect will this have on the doctors who don’t want to practice at Ellis? Will they leave the area/state? Will doctors want to come to a community that has only one hospital? I have heard that it’s difficult to attract physicians to this area. Also, I remember that the Berger Commission closed Bellevue — which they never visited and had their financial information incorrect.
    As the son of the founders, I request that Ellis change the name of Bellevue, because it ceased to exist as a family hospital when it went non-profit.
    PAUL JORGENSEN
    Broadalbin
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The state doesn't like to admit that they made a huge mistake.
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Quoted from Shadow
The state doesn't like to admit that they made a huge mistake.


The state did not make a huge mistake......remember---wallstreet lives in the Empire State.......and the government is very well bedded down......propaganda is used well by 'experts', hopefully the sheeple are still drunk, they hope......

The 'they' made a 'healthcare crisis' to make it look like 'they' were right in combining them and that 'they'(hospitals/doctors) were wrong.......

but, now the fun will start,,,,,,the vultures are circling for those lucrative government contracts and the taxpayer just got their a$#@# pinched.........


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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Ellis personnel getting short shrift after merger

    With the merger of Ellis, Bellevue and St. Clare’s hospitals in Schenectady, there have been many changes — some positive and some not so positive! These changes have included increased patient load, positions being abolished, the seniority of dedicated, long-term nurses being ignored, and non-nursing positions being compromised!
    Ellis nurses and non-nursing personnel who have been dedicated to the hospital for years have been told that if they don’t like the way things are being handled, they can leave. Ellis nurses in certain departments have been told they are the ones to float to other departments and not the St. Clare’s nurses, because, after all, they didn’t ask for this merger and were the ones displaced. Well, you know what, neither did the Ellis nurses ask for this, so why should they be penalized? It’s like we who have given most of our lives to this hospital don’t even matter. What is with that?
    Seniority has also been played with so those of us who have 15, 20, 25 or 30 years invested in the hospital can be bumped by those coming in due to the merger. If the roles were reversed, we wouldn’t expect to bump any of the dedicated, long-term employees of another institution, so why should we have to endure this?
    Where is the loyalty to the long-time nurses of Ellis, who have over the years given their heart soul and valuable time to the hospital, as well as the knowledge, compassion and care they have given to any patient who has walked through the doors?
    Please give credit where credit is due, because let’s face it, where would the hospital be if it weren’t for the dedicated caregivers, whether they be doctors, nurses, patient-care technicians or support staff?
    B. J. SIM
    Duanesburg
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