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While Senators repeated the concerns that have been voiced for a couple of weeks now: that this would allow terrorists into the country, it’s unfair to legal citizens, and that it was sprung on the state and local county clerks with almost no warning or input, one of the newer developments centered on the possibility that the Senate could stymie this whole plan by simply withholding funding needed to complete it.

That’s because the Phase II (Phase I has already started) entails money-requiring items such as creation of a special inspection unit to examine the passports that illegal aliens would use in lieu of Social Security numbers to get licenses.
Senator Tom Libous, R-Binghamton, for example, suggested they could still be in session in December ‘08, haggling over funding for the plan if the governor doesn’t re-think it. “It needs more thought. It needs more discussion,'’ said Libous, echoing other Republican opponents who urged Spitzer to hold back on the plan.

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Address illegal immigrant issue, but not Spitzer’s way

   I am a legal immigrant, a naturalized American citizen, and from that perspective I will share my thoughts and feelings concerning Gov. [Eliot] Spitzer’s proposal to grant legal New York state driving licenses to illegal New York immigrants. You will notice that I use the term immigrants instead of aliens. “Aliens” evoke the image of little green folks with tentacles, saucer eyes, green skin etc. — creatures from Mars or Alpha Centauri — and I have not met any of those yet on our planet Earth.
   The governor should not be rewarding people for willingly breaking the law. And this is what illegal immigrants have done; they have broken the law. This sets a bad precedent. It is like telling the hungry that it is OK to break into grocery stores, the penniless to rob banks, the homeless to squat on other people’s property. Just because people are down on their luck or are striving for a better future does not mean they are immune to the laws of the very land they aspire to live in. And I can hardly be called antipoor or anti-immigrant.
   I don’t believe many illegal immigrants have ever driven or owned a car in their native countries, and the prospect of driving a car is not the foremost thought on their minds when they are trying to enter this country illegally.
   I am concerned about the way an illegal immigrant driver will react after an accident on the road — particularly of the tragic variety. Is he going to call the police, 911, the ambulances? Is he going to stay around to help, suddenly metamorphose into a law-abiding citizen or is he going to panic and flee, reverting to breaking the law?
   Vox populi, vox Dei [voice of the people is the voice of God] governor. What about a referendum — asking the people who voted you in power — what they think, what they want? You are not the only one with thought process in our state, even if you believe so. The “let them eat cake” government way of thinking went out with Marie Antoinette’s head centuries ago.
   I would be happy to see in place legal work programs for law-abiding foreigners wanting to come to this country to earn a living and better their lives. That would go a long way to help not only those deserving people, but also the American citizens who want, and need, their help. It is a needed system.
Let us do something to reward people who do the right thing. But, again, I have always been a dreamer.
ROGER MALEBRANCHE
Broadalbin  

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Citizens first, licensed drivers second

   I supported and voted for Gov. Spitzer. I thought he would be strong proponent of financial responsibility. Heaven knows we need it. However, I cannot understand why he’s thinking of giving illegal aliens a driver’s license. What possible benefi t could it be to the people of this state?
   Having a valid driver’s license was a big deal when you turned 16; the first place you went was to motor vehicles to take your test. It was the best form of identification you can have. You can take out a loan, open a bank account, get on a plane and countless other privileges associated with possessing a valid drivers license.
   The governor is giving these illegals a free pass to all these benefits and more. Having a valid state driver’s license will mean nothing. As taxpayers, we are enjoying few privileges for the amount we have to pay to live here. If the illegals want a driver’s license, let them go through the process of becoming citizens, and then apply for the license.
   MARTY SHANTY
   Charlton  

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EDITORIALS Spitzer must admit mistake, move on

   It seems doubtful, as some observers initially speculated, that Gov. Eliot Spitzer concocted his scheme to let illegal aliens get driver’s licenses as a way to divert attention from the “Troopergate” scandal, which damaged his reputation and threatened his political agenda. But the plan, not entirely without merit, has nonetheless managed to do so, and in a way the governor could never have intended. In short, it’s damaging his governorship as much as “Troopergate.” For his sake and the state’s, he needs to abandon it.
   The governor may love a good fight, and he certainly got one when Senate Majority Leader Joe Bruno — another renowned fighter — turned the tables on him with “Troopergate.” The damage caused by that scandal has been done, and there’s little Spitzer can do about it. But the furor over his licensing plan, which has become an equally distracting cause celebre for his political enemies, is a different story. All Spitzer has to do is say the word, and it could go away.
   Backing down in that fashion may not be in his constitutional makeup, but if he fails to do so soon, he could be a lame duck governor before even the end of his first year. Republicans, who are being invited onto national TV talk shows to savage the plan, smell blood in the water: They’re acting like demagogues, going so far as to encourage talk of recalling the governor. Inappropriate as that would be, it doesn’t seem that farfetched at this point.
   Spitzer doesn’t need this. New York doesn’t need this. There’s too much real work to be done, and Spitzer’s election was a clear mandate to do it. He squandered a lot of political capital with “Troopergate” and now with his alien licensing scheme, but he could get at least some of it back by calling it a mistake and jettisoning it.  

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With the increase in requirements for public security, the DMV frequently updates the list of acceptable proofs of identity and date of birth. Carefully read the requirements described on this page. Make sure that you have the proof required before you apply for any DMV document.

If you apply for a driver license, a learner permit or a new non-driver photo ID card, and:

If you do not have a NYS driver license or or a NYS learner permit that is now valid or that was valid in the last two years, you must show proof of identity that equals a value of six points, your proof of date of birth and your Social Security Card (see Note 1).
If you do have a NYS driver license or a NYS learner permit that is now valid or that was valid during the last 2 years, you must only show proof of identity that equals a value of six points. You are not required to show your proof of date of birth or your Social Security Card.
See the list of proofs and their point values. One or more of your proofs must have your signature. Each document must be an original document or a copy of the original document certified by the issuing agency. You cannot use more than one document of a specific type for points. For example, three credits cards do not equal three points. They equal one point. The DMV does not accept any document with any alteration.  The DMV can confiscate altered documents and keep the documents for evaluation. The DMV will keep any document that appears fraudulent and can seek criminal prosecution against the person who used the document.

A suspended driver license or a suspended learner permit is accepted for proof of identity.

Note 1: If you are not eligible for a Social Security Card, you must provide a letter or form SSA-L676 from the US Social Security Administration (SSA) that states that you are not eligible. The SSA letter or form must have been issued no more than 30 days before the date of your application. You must also show the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) documents that the SSA used to determine that you are not eligible for a Social Security Card. The USCIS was formerly known as the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS).
Note 2: If you did not provide a Social Security Number to the DMV for a previous transaction, you must show your Social Security Card with your application. If you are not eligible for a Social Security Card, use the instructions in Note 1.
Proofs of Identity and Date of Birth Required to Apply for
a Driver License, a Learner Permit or a Non-driver Photo ID Card
How to use this list: Find the description of your transaction in the left-hand column. Find your answer to the question in the second column. Read across the row to determine the proofs that you need. Then see the list of proofs and their point values.

Transaction: Do you have a NYS driver license or a NYS learner permit that is valid or expired less than two years? Is proof of date of birth required? Is a Social Security Card required?
If you are not eligible for a Social Security Number, read Note 1. Proof of Identity Requirements:
Learner Permit
- new No Yes Yes Four points and your Social Security Card (a total of six points), or six points and the SSA letter or form (read Note 1).
Learner Permit
- new Yes No No (unless you did not provide the DMV with a SSN in the past. (Read Note 2.) Six points of proof of identity
Learner Permit
- get a duplicate
- change your information Yes No (unless you apply for a correction to your date of birth) No (unless you did not provide the DMV with a SSN in the past. (Read Note 2.) Six points of proof of identity. To change your name, you must also provide proof of your new name (a marriage or divorce document, a court-issued name change document) or six points of proof of identity that shows your new name. Read the list of acceptable documents.
Driver License
- new (after revocation; each test is waived.) Yes No No (unless you did not provide the DMV with a SSN in the past. (Read Note 2.) Six points of proof of identity
Driver License
- new (after revocation; each test is waived.) No N/A N/A If you answer "No" to this question, you are not eligible for a driver license, you must apply for a new learner permit.
Driver License
- get a duplicate
- renew document
- change your license class
- change your information Yes No (unless you apply for a correction to your date of birth) No (unless you did not provide the DMV with a SSN in the past. (Read Note 2.) Six points of proof of identity. To change your name, you must also provide proof of your new name (a marriage or divorce document, a court-issued name change document) or six points of proof of identity that shows your new name. Read the list of acceptable documents.
NYS Driver License
- replace an out-of-state driver license (even if you had a driver license, a learner permit or a non-driver photo ID card from NYS at another time) N/A Yes Yes Four points and your Social Security Card (a total of six points), or six points and the SSA letter or form (read Note 1).
Non-Driver Photo ID Card
- new No Yes Yes Four points and your Social Security Card (a total of six points), or six points and the SSA letter or form (read Note 1).
Non-Driver Photo ID Card
- new Yes No Yes Four points and your Social Security Card (a total of six points), or six points and the SSA letter or form (read Note 1).
Non-Driver Photo ID Card
- renew document N/A No Yes Four points and your Social Security Card (a total of six points), or six points and the SSA letter or form (read Note 1).
Non-Driver Photo ID Card
- get a duplicate
- change your information N/A No (unless you apply for a correction to your date of birth) No Six points of proof of identity. To change your name, you must also provide proof of your new name (a marriage or divorce document, a court-issued name change document) or six points of proof of identity that shows your new name. Read the list of acceptable documents.

Documents Accepted as Proofs of Identity and Date of Birth
** Original Documents Only - Photocopies Are Not Acceptable **
Important: Any document submitted for proof of identification must be a current and valid document. The document cannot be an expired document. The DMV has the authority to verify that your documents are authentic.

Acceptable documents for Proof of Identity.

Documents must be current, valid and verifiable unless indicated otherwise.

Expired documents are not accepted unless indicated. Point value of document Is this document accepted as Proof of Date of Birth?
A driver license, a learner permit, or a non-driver photo ID card issued by NYS. The photo document must be valid or expired for less than two years. 6 No
DMV form MV-45 (Statement of Identity), if the applicant is under the age of 21. The form must be signed by a parent or a legal guardian, in front of a DMV representative. Proof of date of birth of applicant and Social Security Card are also required. See form MV-45 for instructions. 4 No
DMV form MV-45A (Statement Of Identity - For Applicants Represented by Government or Government-Approved Facilities), - an identity affidavit completed by a state, federal or local government agent representative for a mentally and/or physically challenged applicant. Proof of date of birth of applicant and Social Security Card are also required. See form MV-45A for instructions. 4 No
A US passport 4 Yes
A Certificate of Citizenship (N-560, N-561, or N-645). 3 Yes
A Certificate of Naturalization (N-550, N-570 or N-57. 3 Yes
A foreign passport with a valid I-551 stamp or a statement on the visa. The passport must be in English or translated by an embassy. 3 Yes
A Permanent Resident Card (form I-551). 3 Yes
A foreign passport with your visa and form I-94. The passport must be in English or translated by an embassy. 3 Yes
A foreign passport with your visa and form I-94 with status code J1 or J2 and with form IAP-66/DS-2019. If you received an extension, you must show your original entry document, form IAP-66/DS-2019, any extension document and, if appropriate, a "notice of approval." 3 Yes
A foreign passport with your visa and form I-94 with status code F1 or F2 and form I-20. To be accepted, the school must be located in NYS. If you received an extension, you must show your original entry document, form I-20, any extension document and, if appropriate, a "notice of approval." 3 Yes
A foreign passport with your visa and form I-94 with status code G4. You must apply at the DMV Herald Square office only. 3 Yes
A foreign passport with your visa and form I-94 with status code I and a letter from the Foreign Press Center. You must apply at the DMV Herald Square office only. 3 Yes
A US Re-entry Permit (I-327). 3 Yes
A US Refugee Travel Document (I-571). 3 Yes
A US Employment Authorization Card (INS I-688B or I-766). 3 Yes
A US Military Photo ID Card (issued to military personnel only). 3 Yes
A welfare card, a Medicaid card, or a NYS Food Stamp Card with a photo. 3 No
A pistol permit issued by NYS or NYC. 2 No
A professional license issued by NYS. 2 No
A photo driver license issued by another state, jurisdiction or possession of the US, or issued by a province or territory of Canada. The driver license must be valid or expired less than one year. 2 No
A US Social Security card that shows your signature. 2 No
A NYS registration document for a vehicle or a boat only. 2 No
A NYS title certificate. 2 No
A Military Dependent ID Card. 2 No
A welfare card, a Medicaid card, or a NYS Food Stamp Card without a photo. 2 No
A US marriage document, a US divorce document, or a court-issued name change document. 2 No
A US college photo ID card and an academic transcript. 2 No
A NYS interim driver license or a computer-generated learner permit, without a photo. 2 No
A US high school ID card and a report card. 2 No
A valid Saint Regis Mohawk Tribe ID card. 2 No
A valid Saint Regis Mohawk Tribe ID card and a Canadian birth certificate. 2 Yes
A computer-printed pay stub or employee ID card issued in the US that shows your name. 1 No
A high school diploma or GED (General Education Diploma) issued in the US. 1 No
A supermarket check-cashing card issued in the US with your name pre-printed and your signature. 1 No
A union card issued in the US . 1 No
A health insurance card or a medical prescription card issued in the US. 1 No
A life insurance policy issued in the US and in effect for at least two years. 1 No
A utility bill issued in the US. 1 No
A Veterans Universal Access Photo ID Card. 1 No
A W-2 Form that shows your Social Security Number. 1 No
You can provide only one of these items issued by a financial institution issued in the US:
a bank statement
a cancelled check (which displays your pre-printed name)
an ATM card or a debit card (which displays your pre-printed name and your signature)
a valid major US credit card 1 No
A birth certificate issued by the US State Department or by a Board of Health or a Bureau of Vital Statistics in the US or a US Territory. US Territories are: American Samoa, Guam, Marianna Islands, Marshall Islands, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands and Wake Island. 0 Yes
A Certificate of Birth Registration issued by the Department of Health of NYS or NYC. The certificate must be an original certificate and must have the stamp or the embossed seal of the agency that issued the certificate. The certificate cannot contain any changes. The certificate cannot contain any errors in the name or date of birth of the applicant. 0 Yes
Notes:


If you have a foreign passport with an I-94 that has the status code A1, A2, G1 or G3, you must contact the US State Department.
If you are a refugee or an asylee, a supervisor at the DMV office must approve your documents.

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If you do not have a NYS driver license or or a NYS learner permit that is now valid or that was valid in the last two years, you must show proof of identity that equals a value of six points, your proof of date of birth and your Social Security Card

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If you are not eligible for a Social Security Card, you must provide a letter or form SSA-L676 from the US Social Security Administration (SSA) that states that you are not eligible. The SSA letter or form must have been issued no more than 30 days before the date of your application. You must also show the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) documents that the SSA used to determine that you are not eligible for a Social Security Card. The USCIS was formerly known as the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS).

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Amazing how these law makers can just over ride one law with another just to suit their personal political agenda.

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I don't know how many of you are members of ALIPAC or have signed up to get their e-mails from their website, but I just got this from them and think that you would ALL be interested in this.  Please feel free to forward this to anyone that you think would be interested or go to ALIPAC's website to sign up yourself.  
While I may not attend, they have my full support.

I hope they have yours.

Sincerely,
ME

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Friends of ALIPAC,

Our team is working hard on a plan to stop New York state Governor Spitzer from issuing licenses to illegal aliens in his state.

We will launch this plan on Monday morning, October 22, 2007.

Your help will be needed. It will take a maximum response from our ALIPAC Activists, friends in talk radio and on the web, and our allied organizations for us to have any chance at success!

This will be a very intensive effort.

We are sending this alert to our activists so you may adjust your schedules accordingly and to arrange to spend as much time as possible with us on this effort next Monday and Tuesday. Those of you that can send e-mails and make calls for a few hours or more will carry this plan forward.

We know that the vast majority of American citizens in NY State oppose Spitzer's executive order.

Read: Poll shows 72% oppose licensing illegal immigrants
http://www.alipac.us/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=87308


Our ALIPAC supporters in New York State are already taking action to oppose this and will need help from across the nation.

More information will be sent to you early Monday.

Thank you for your continued support.

The ALIPAC Team
Americans for Legal Immigration PAC
http://www.alipac.us

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CAPITOL
License idea has major backer
Group plans rally as GOP tries to block Spitzer plan
BY MICHAEL GORMLEY The Associated Press

Richard A. Clarke, the former counterterrorism adviser to three presidents, on Friday endorsed Gov. Eliot Spitzer’s plan to make it easier for illegal immigrants to get driver’s licenses.
“States should act to register immigrants, legal and illegal, who use our roadways as New York is doing,” Clarke said in a statement to be delivered in a morning news conference with Spitzer in New York City.
   “From a law enforcement and security perspective, it is far preferable for the state to know who is living in it and driving on its roads, and to have their photograph and their address on file than to have large numbers of people living in our cities whose identity is totally unknown to the government,” said Clarke, who advised presidents George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush.
   Clarke is also the author of “Against All Enemies,” which claims the current Bush administration did not do enough to protect the country from the Sept. 11 attacks. Clarke also worked in the Clinton administration.
   With his endorsement, Clarke wades into political controversy that began after Spitzer announced regulatory changes he said will make streets safer by taking hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants “out of the shadows.”
   Spitzer has met strong resistance from Republicans and many fellow Democrats who have said it would be a threat to national security and would allow illegal aliens to get identification that implies they are citizens.
   “Today Governor Spitzer continues to ignore the overwhelming opposition to his plan and is pushing ahead against the will of the people,” said Daniel Neumann of New Yorkers Against Driver’s Licenses for Illegal Aliens.
   The organization plans a rally Monday in Albany, when state Senate Republicans will try to block Spitzer’s plan. They are expected to get support from some Assembly Democrats.
   Spitzer has said many of those who oppose the plan don’t understand the decision, which includes new technology to verify foreignissued passports and other antifraud measures. He said the plan is consistent with recommendations of the 9/11 Commission.
   Earlier this month a Siena College poll found 72 percent of New York voters opposed the governor’s license plan. Twenty-two percent of those polled supported the plan of the once widely popular governor, according to the Siena Research Institute.
   Clarke said Spitzer’s plan, to begin in December, is needed before a federal Real ID license is implemented that could verify citizenship.
   The Real ID Act, passed in response to the Sept. 11 attacks, requires all states to bring their driver’s licenses under a national standard and to link their recordkeeping systems. States must verify identification used to obtain a driver’s license, such as birth certificates, Social Security numbers and passports.
   Driver’s licenses not meeting the standard won’t be accepted as identification to board an airplane or enter a federal building.
   CNN commentator Lou Dobbs has helped make Spitzer’s plan a national issue. Dobbs this week called the action an abuse of power that endangers citizens.
   “It’s hard to imagine what this governor is thinking and how he can possibly rationalize this,” Dobbs said in one segment. “Where is the morality in his obligation to fulfill his responsibility to citizens of the state of New York and certainly to uphold the law?”
   Republican lawmakers in New York claim Spitzer’s move violates the law.