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You have a CONCEALED  weapon permit ?

"We don't carry them anywhere and I'm not so sure I would want to.  It is a huge responsibility .....  "

As I mentioned I new to guns- actually I dont think I have ever fired one. But now that Im looking at buying one- and for protection ( not to just hace one under the seat or under the bed or whatever )

Im looking at either the Berreta 418 or the Walther PPK -  James Bond used them- they wont leave a bulge under your tuxedo-


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No, mine is for hunting and fishing.  

Your choice of guns seem well thought out considering the tuxedo and all. I wonder if the same applies to an evening gown, that way no one can see it on the way to the fishing hole.
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Don’t let guns into our national parks

    Eight years ago, my husband and I proudly witnessed our daughter’s graduation from the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, Ga.
    The director of the National Park Service ceremoniously handed her weapon to her as we stood in front of the memorial honoring federal officers who have been killed in the line of duty. Imagine our discomfort when we learned that more National Park Service law enforcement officers and police have been assaulted, or lost their lives, than any other branch of the federal service.
    The Bush administration has proposed removing the 25-year restriction on carrying a concealed handgun, loaded rifle or shotgun in our national parks. As a mother, I’m appalled. As a citizen, who regularly uses our national parks, I’m very concerned. This is one rule that shouldn’t be changed in the waning hours of this administration.
    JULIA STOKES
    Saratoga Springs     

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Julia everyone who has a gun is not a cop killing maniac. Look at the other side of the coin what if your daughter was being assaulted by a real killer wouldn't it be nice to have someone else able to come to her aid.
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Julia needs to re-read the second amendment.


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Quoted from Sombody
Thanks for the thoughtful answer- I see I need to do some research on my own-

When I first started thinking about buying a gun ( which was about 2 weeks ago ) I determined that I want to have it with me-

I have another situation in that my work requires travel- which of course may be the biggest problem.  After a number of years of projects that are often in the surlyest ( is that a word ? ) of neighborhoods - I found myself looking at Buds gun shop-

Ill buy my first gun magazine this week -


If you can show "need" (the definition of which varies from judge to judge), getting a CC is easier.  Interstate transport can be tricky though.  Be very very sure to check out if other states will respect a NYS issued permit.  Some will some won't.  Also, unless your permit is issued in NYC, your NYS permit is NOT valid in NYC.  Which I find really strange, as a NYS permit is valid in foreign countries (Ireland, UK, most of Europe), but is invalid in the city.



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You have a CONCEALED  weapon permit ?

"We don't carry them anywhere and I'm not so sure I would want to.  It is a huge responsibility .....  "

As I mentioned I new to guns- actually I dont think I have ever fired one. But now that Im looking at buying one- and for protection ( not to just hace one under the seat or under the bed or whatever )

Im looking at either the Berreta 418 or the Walther PPK -  James Bond used them- they wont leave a bulge under your tuxedo-


Buying a gun is like buying a computer, or a car.  Get what you need, not what is the flashiest, or biggest, or the high priced "name" the salesperson is pushing.  A lot of problems arise when people get some hand cannon that they don't know how to use, or can't handle.  If you have the opportunity, try out a few.  You can tell some from handling the weapon in store, such as its weight, and how it feels in your hand.  
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Argument against guns in national parks flawed

    The July 10 letter, “Don’t let guns into our national parks,” about guns in national parks, is full of deception, as is the rule with most liberal opinions expressed in our nation’s newspapers. She [Julia Stokes] also is obviously a Bush hater with an agenda, since she states the Bush administration is to blame!
    First off, this is a bill by Congress to permit law-abiding citizens to possess guns legally while in the parks — which should be a privilege afforded all of the country’s citizens. Many RVers and park visitors who have the right to be armed in their home states and the states in which the parks are located, become criminals by this discriminatory position of the National Park Service.
    Stokes also implies that somehow her daughter is endangered by the proposal to change the law, citing statistical information that would let us believe that national park officers would suffer a higher mortality rate because of the change! This is pure drama, since there is no data showing that legally armed citizens would be responsible for killing law enforcement officers. She should go to a library and see the tremendous amount of source material that supports that armed citizens are, in fact, a deterrent to crime.
    She should feel safer knowing that, should she become endangered by an armed criminal, terrorist or carjacker while she visits here and there, she or her officer daughter would likely appreciate help from an armed citizen, which is what the Second Amendment authors intended.
    WALTER S. MARCHEWKA
    Saratoga Springs
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Rene
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........or she can wait for the government to defend her if encountered by someone who intends to do her harm!!!  Perhaps another law will do the trick.  Oops, I'm being sarcastic again, sorry.
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well you folks over there need the guns I think to protect you against the roving indians and that
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Roving Indians?---hell, just our neighbors.......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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well you folks over there need the guns I think to protect you against the roving indians and that


They get very restless this time of year

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Gun Enthusiasts Stock Up on Firearms Over Fears of Dem Crackdown
Gun owners worry a Democrat-controlled White House and Congress will lead to stricter gun laws.


Friday, November 07, 2008

MIDLOTHIAN, Va. -- When 10-year-old Austin Smith heard Barack Obama had been elected president, he had one question: Does this mean I won't get a new gun for Christmas?

That brought his mother, the camouflage-clad Rachel Smith, to Bob Moates Sports Shop on Thursday, where she was picking out that special 20-gauge shotgun -- one of at least five weapons she plans to buy before Obama takes office in January.

Like Smith, gun enthusiasts nationwide are stocking up on firearms out of fears that the combination of an Obama administration and a Democrat-dominated Congress will result in tough new gun laws.

"I think they're going to really try to crack down on guns and make it harder for people to try to purchase them," said Smith, 32, who taught all five of her children -- ages 4 to 10 -- to shoot because the family relies on game for food.

Last month, as an Obama win looked increasingly inevitable, there were more than 108,000 more background checks for gun purchases than in October 2007, a 15 percent increase. And they were up about 8 percent for the year as of Oct. 26, according to the FBI.

No data was available for gun purchases this week, but gun shops from suburban Virginia to the Rockies report record sales since Tuesday's election.

"They're scared to death of losing their rights," said David Hancock, manager of Bob Moates, where sales have nearly doubled in the past week and are up 15 percent for the year. On Election Day, salespeople were called in on their day off because of the crowd.

Obama has said he respects Americans' Second Amendment right to bear arms, but that he favors "common sense" gun laws. Gun rights advocates interpret that as meaning he'll at least enact curbs on ownership of assault and concealed weapons.

As a U.S. Senator, Obama voted to leave gun-makers and dealers open to lawsuits; and as an Illinois state legislator, he supported a ban on semiautomatic weapons and tighter restrictions on all firearms.

During an October appearance in Ohio, Obama sought to reassure gun owners. "I will not take your shotgun away," he said. "I will not take your rifle away. I won't take your handgun away."

Gun advocates take some solace in the current makeup of the U.S. Supreme Court, which ruled 5-4 this summer to strike down the District of Columbia's 32-year ban on handguns. For now, gun rights supporters hold a narrow edge on the court, but Obama could appoint justices who would swing it the other way.

Franklin Gun Shop outside Nashville, Tenn., sold more than 70 guns on Tuesday, making it the biggest sales day since the shop opened eight years ago. Guns & Gear in Cheyenne, Wyo., also set a one-day sales record on Tuesday, only to break that mark on Wednesday.

Stewart Wallin, owner of Get Some Guns in the Salt Lake City suburb of Murray, Utah, said he sold nine assault weapons the day after Obama was elected. That same day, the gun store Cheaper Than Dirt! in Fort Worth, Texas, sold $101,000 worth of merchandise, shattering its single-day sales record, store owner DeWayne Irwin said.

One Georgia gun shop advertised an "Obama sale" on an outdoor sign, but the owner took it down after people complained that the shop appeared to be issuing a call to violence against the country's first black leader.

The president of a Montana gun manufacturer stepped down last month after word that he supported Obama led to calls for a boycott of the company.

While Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association, attributes some of the sales boom to the tanking economy, he thinks the Democratic sweep is the top reason why guns are suddenly a hot commodity.

"I don't think he'll be able to stand up to that anti-Second Amendment wing of the Democratic party that's just been spoiling for chance to ban America's guns," LaPierre said of Obama.

During the campaign, the NRA warned that Obama would be the "most antigun president in American history." And while Vice President-elect Joe Biden owns shotguns, he has supported a ban on assault weapons and has said private sellers at gun shows should be required to perform background checks.

But Mark Tushnet, a Harvard Law School professor who has written a book about the gun debate, said new firearms regulations will be a low priority for an Obama administration and Democratic Congress facing a global economic crisis and two wars.

"Maybe the gun-show loophole will be closed, but not much else," he said in an e-mail. "I'd be surprised, for example, if Congress enacted a new assault gun ban."

Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said his organization will continue to press for what he calls "sensible" restrictions -- background checks at gun shows, a ban on military-style assault weapons and cracking down on illegal gun trade. He believes he has the backing of the new administration on those issues, but any fears of a broader crackdown are unfounded.

"The one thing that they agree strongly with us on is that it's too easy for dangerous people to get guns in this country," Helmke said. "I guess if you're a dangerous person you might want to run out there and buy some more, but otherwise you should be OK."
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Obama ran on a platform of being a moderate and now that he's been elected president if he swings way left to his roots as a liberal he'll be a 1 term president and end up just like Jimmy Carter did.
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Obama ran on a platform of being a moderate and now that he's been elected president if he swings way left to his roots as a liberal he'll be a 1 term president and end up just like Jimmy Carter did.


The only question is what will be left of this nation once he's done with it???


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