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The Obama administration will soon announce $1.3 billion in rebate checks to nearly 16 million Americans
from health insurance companies.

Mark Halperin: "From almost the moment the Affordable Care Act (a/k/a "ObamaCare") was signed into law,
the administration has been playing defense... But the rebate provision of the law -- the fruits of the
so-called '80/20 rule' -- is about to kick in big time, as millions of Americans receive rebate checks or
premium reductions from insurance companies
who have failed to spend enough on patient care.
(Time)


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral
philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

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Yep - re-election time
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Major New Tax Increases in the PPACA

Three major tax increases make up a majority of new revenue in the PPACA.

    A new 40 percent excise tax on health insurance plans. This will apply to plans valued in excess of $10,200 for individuals and $27,500 for families. It will take effect in 2018 and is projected to raise $32 billion by 2019.

    The PPACA could have fixed one of the health care system's most serious flaws: the inefficient tax treatment of employer-sponsored health insurance. Done rightly, a serious reform of the federal tax treatment of health insurance could have expanded opportunities for Americans to own and control their own health insurance, created true portability of coverage, stimulated intense competition within the health insurance market, and reduced overspending on health care by making workers more attuned to their health care costs.[2] Instead, the new excise tax will make health insurance more costly and complex, while leaving the perverse incentives and inequities of the existing system in place. In addition, this hidden tax will do nothing to make costs more transparent.

    Many families that make far less than $250,000 a year have high-end health plans and will be subject to the excise tax when it goes into effect in 2018, breaking President Obama's pledge not to tax these families. The threshold above which an insurance plan will be hit by the tax is indexed to increase at inflation plus 1 percent, which is below the rate of medical cost inflation. This means that more and more health insurance plans that Congress never intended to tax will fall above the threshold in future years. Many of these plans will also belong to families making less than $250,000 a year, further shattering President Obama's pledge.[3]

    An increase in the Hospital Insurance (HI) portion of the payroll tax. This will increase the employee's portion from 1.45 percent to 2.35 percent for families making more than $250,000 a year ($200,000 for singles). Combined with the employer's portion, the total rate will be 3.8 percent when the tax hike takes effect in 2013.

    There is a long-standing tradition that the payroll tax should be used exclusively to fund Social Security and Medicare. The increased HI rate not only breaks this principle, but also, and for the first time, will fund a new, separate entitlement. With this precedent broken, future Congresses will be tempted to use payroll tax increases to pay for other new programs that the tax was never intended to fund.

    The $250,000 threshold is not indexed for inflation, so in inflation-adjusted terms, families making less than $250,000 a year today will pay the tax when it takes effect in 2013. As inflation increases, more and more middle-income families will be hit by the tax. This tax hike also breaks President Obama's pledge not to raise taxes on these families.

    Payroll taxes on investment. The PPACA applies the new higher 3.8 percent HI tax to investment income, including capital gains, dividends, rents, and royalties, effective in 2013.

    For the first time, a portion of the payroll tax will apply to investment income--a sharp departure from the nature and history of social insurance programs and another dangerous precedent for future policy. This will discourage investment and lead to slower economic growth, fewer jobs, and lower wages.[4] Tax policy should work to reduce the growth-depleting tax on capital income, not to increase that burden.
Other PPACA Tax Increases

The health legislation includes a myriad of smaller tax hikes, many of which will also fall on middle- and lower-income Americans. Many of them will not take effect until after Obama's potential second term. These hikes include:

    A reduction in the number of medical products that taxpayers can purchase using health savings accounts (HSAs) and flexible spending accounts (FSAs).
    An increase in the penalty for purchasing disallowed products with HSAs to 20 percent.
    A limit on the amount that taxpayers can deposit in FSAs to $2,500 a year after 2013.
    A requirement that corporations report more information on their business activities, the theory being that if corporations must report more about their activities, they will be less likely to try to avoid taxation.
    An annual fee on manufacturers and importers of branded drugs based on each individual company's share of the total market. The tax starts at $2.5 billion in 2011 and goes to $2.8 billion in 2012-2013, $3.0 billion in 2014-2016, $4.0 billion in 2017, $4.1 billion in 2018, and $2.8 billion per year thereafter.
    A 2.3 percent excise tax on manufacturers and importers of certain medical devices.
    An annual fee on health insurance providers based on each company's share of the total market. Since health insurance companies stand to get more customers because of the individual and employer mandates, Congress forced them to share some of the revenue increase with the federal government. The tax raises $8 billion in 2014, $11.3 billion in 2015-2016, $13.9 billion in 2017, and $14.3 billion in 2018. After 2018, it will raise $14.3 billion, indexed to medical cost growth.
    Elimination of the corporate deduction for prescription expenses for retirees. This provision has caused many large companies to announce write-downs of their future earnings.
    An increase in the floor on the deduction for medical expenses from 7.5 percent of adjusted gross income to 10 percent.
    A limit on the amount that health insurance companies can deduct from their taxes to $500,000 of compensation paid to officers, employees, directors, and service providers.
    Repeal of the special deduction for expenses related to claims adjustments and administrative expenses specifically for Blue Cross/Blue Shield organizations.
    A 10 percent excise tax on indoor tanning services.
    Exclusion of unprocessed fuels from the existing cellulosic biofuel producer credit. Some industries that do not make biofuels were able to claim the credit because of byproducts produced during their manufacturing process. This credit is an unjustified use of the tax code that encourages certain kinds of energy production at the cost of others. Congress might better have scrapped the credit altogether.
    A change in the definition of which business activities are for economic purposes and which are strictly to avoid taxation--many of which were perfectly legal--along with penalties for underpayments due to the latter.

Broken Promises to the Middle Class

President Obama repeated again and again during the campaign that he would not raise taxes on any family making less than $250,000 a year. He broke that promise early in his presidency when he increased cigarette taxes, and he has done so in a far grander way with this health care legislation. Not only will the higher HI taxes cost middle-income families jobs and suppress their wages, but the excise tax on high-cost plans will hit them directly.

Several of the taxes listed above, while not targeting middle-income families, will ultimately be passed on to them through higher prices. These include the fees on medical device manufacturers, pharmaceutical companies, and health insurance companies and the new tax on tanning services.http://www.heritage.org/resear.....re-taxes-on-the-way/
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In a revealing new book, The Amateur, author Edward Klein interviews President Barack Obama’s physician, Dr. David Scheiner, MD, who blasts the president’s health care plan and says that President Obama has an “academic detachment” that he could never break through.

The doctor fears that if the health care plan is “the failure” he believes it will be, because of runaway costs and other problems, then any health reform will be set back for years to come.

These are only a few of many reveals in Klein’s book, which makes the case that President Obama is not the political machine that people fear, but an amateur with a messianic complex who is completely out of his depth.

In an exclusive preview of The Amateur by Human Events, Obama’s longtime physician reveals the lack of humanity in Obama’s character and carelessness with which he enacted the entirely politicized health insurance reform, The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, often called ObamaCare.

Scheiner said that he believes the president miscalculated politically and that the health reform is ultimately doomed to fail. Worse, Scheiner doubts the character of a man who holds the highest and most influential office in America: “I think there is too much of the University of Chicago in him. By which I mean he’s academic, lacks passion and feeling, and doesn’t have the sense of humanity that I expected.”

The author, Klein, later in the book, compares Obama’s personality to early the 20th Century progressive president, Woodrow Wilson. By quoting the historian Forrest McDonald, who called Wilson’s perception of himself, “little short of Messianic,” Klein says that McDonald’s description of Wilson “fits Obama to a T.”

The Amateur is set to be released Tuesday, May 15. It is published by Regnery Publishing, owned by Eagle Publishing, which also owns Human Events.


http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=51433
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EXTORTION AT THE GOVERNMENT LEVEL FOR THE MASSES ALWAYS GETS VOTES....apparently we like to be victims


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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GUESS WHAT!!!!

HERE IT COMES!!!!!

EXACTLY WHAT WE DESERVE!!!!


when using the computer systems/programs that our government approved for insurance billing(private/public) the nursing homes now have to chart when family
provides care....and if family feeds the resident the nursing home doesn't get paid for that specific task....

everyone feel safe and happy now?

nursing homes will cease to exist......everyone ready to house your elders....hope ya'll have strong stomachs and backs......AND be prepared for those government
EPS(elder protective services) visits....because they will tell you how to do it.......

can you hear the nickles and dimes hitting the offering plate as a 'donation' to the government...hahahahahahahahahahaha


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Obama Says He Could Be Forced To Revisit Health Care Should Supreme Court Rule Against Signature Law
Posted: 05/31/2012 11:34 pm

If the Supreme Court rules against President Barack Obama's signature health care reform law in a decision expected at the end of the month, it could mean back to the drawing board for the White House.

Bloomberg News reports that the president told donors that his administration may have no choice, but to revisit the issue in his second term. Obama reportedly made the suggestion at a closed-door New York City fundraiser earlier this month. ......................................>>>>......................................>>>>....................................http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/31/obama-health-care-law_n_1561265.html
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Health Care Reform: Undoing Obama's Health Law Could Have Messy Ripple Effects
By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR 06/10/12 09:06 AM ET     


WASHINGTON — It sounds like a silver lining. Even if the Supreme Court overturns President Barack Obama's health care law, employers can keep offering popular coverage for the young adult children of their workers.

But here's the catch: The parents' taxes would go up.

That's only one of the messy potential ripple effects when the Supreme Court delivers its verdict on the Affordable Care Act this month. The law affects most major components of the U.S. health care system in its effort to extend coverage to millions of uninsured people.

Because the legislation is so complicated, an orderly unwinding would prove difficult if it were overturned entirely or in part.

Better Medicare prescription benefits, currently saving hundreds of dollars for older people with high drug costs, would be suspended. Ditto for preventive care with no co-payments, now available to retirees and working families alike.......................................>>>>...............>>>>........................http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/10/health-care-reform-undoin_n_1584331.html
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Because the legislation is so complicated, an orderly unwinding would prove difficult if it were overturned entirely or in part.


their F'EN rhetoric kills me.......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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Tax Hikes in Obamacare: How Will SCOTUS Rule?

Obamacare law contains 20 new or higher taxes on American families and small businesses

On the eve of the Supreme Court’s decision on Obamacare, taxpayers are reminded that the President’s healthcare law is one of the largest tax increases in American history.

Obamacare contains 20 new or higher taxes on American families and small businesses. On Thursday, Americans for Tax Reform will do a full analysis of the tax implications of the Court’s decision...............>>>>...............>>>>.........Read more: http://www.atr.org/tax-hikes-obamacare-scotus-rule-a6996#ixzz1z5KMfpM6
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we just got 'F'ed'


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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we just got 'F'ed'


Do you, yourself, not have insurance?


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Do you, yourself, not have insurance?


I have insurance. It's part of my 'package' aka hourly rate/salary/income.....

but as the government starts to 'set up shop' the businesses will pull back and my taxes will GO UP....and we
assume the government is a higher standard....

we ain't seen nothing yet...

health insurance IS NOT health care

medical intervention is STILL a choice last I knew...however, the taxpayers will DEMAND the 40oz ban because they
don't want their tax dollars going to some fat A$$ that can't stop themselves from drinking them....psst--they get
rewarded with early death....yet united healthcare is the government arm in our region and is trying to prevent
hospitalizations for the elderly under the guise of "it's better for them"....

we should be very careful about the 'poor poor poor' road we ask the government to lay for us.....who ever lays that
road FOR us is also the toll keeper.....PONY UP FOLKS.....

SWEDEN IS EXPENSIVE FOR A REASON


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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SWEDEN IS EXPENSIVE FOR A REASON


Sweden has a higher quality of life.
We're just above South Korea.

http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-quality-of-life-map.html


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quality of life...hhhmm...I can't deny that nice ring......


in a socialized system.....good? bad? indifferent?


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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