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I am proud of what I have....I put myself through nursing school---I bought my home---I bought my car---I bought my health
insurance(because I can say no, THAT IS CHOICE)......

I AM......and I AM proud of what I have done ON MY OWN......

she should be brought up on charges of the hate crime law.....she hates well dressed folks that organize---
what's her freakin' job.......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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The Ronald Reagan statement was the dumbest thing I've ever heard! Ronald Reagan is probably rolling over in his grave right about now!


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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Don’t buy arguments vs. health-care reform

    If we don’t pass health care reform now, when? In one of the wealthiest countries in the world, the democracy that we so love to inspire others to imitate, 46 million Americans are uninsured.
    Many Americans are being priced out of health care because the costs are steadily increasing. Many are being forced to ration their own health care. These Christian-values politicians are saying, “too bad there are uninsured Americans; don’t care about them.” They are saying, “too bad, health care will bankrupt the country; we bankrupted the country with two wars already, you’ll just have to cut back.”
    We say we have a democracy, but greed and corruption and power are the oppressors in this nation.
    President Obama’s plan is not going to kill seniors, or take away choice — his plan will guarantee every American the right to choose their plan and doctor, including a public option. Setting aside how ridiculous an idea that is, people old and young are dying now from lack of health care. His plan will ensure quality, affordable care for every American, and reduce costs by improving efficiency and investing in preventive care. Sounds radical, right?
    I challenge all of the politicians who are against health-care reform, who say that the public option that they all enjoy is socialism, to donate their health-care plan to one of the 46 million uninsured — and sign up, and pay for, private insurance. Any takers?

    WENDY BROWN
    Schenectady


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These people will do ANYTHING to shove this down our throats.  Constituents be damned.

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“They are just helping us understand the fringe that is trying to mess up our meetings,” said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.).
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“If you get hit, we will punch back twice as hard,” Messina said,


Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/25891.html#ixzz0NUtUauoN

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this lady has been drinking the kool-aid.

I agree we need reform but use a scalpel not a chainsaw.

greed corrupiton and power is what obama care is all about.  

and if this passes their wont be a Choice for anyone, but the national plan

this already failed in hawaii (if obama was actually from their (LOL)) he would know this

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,534750,00.html
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Saint luis was the begginning of the punch - back and now it will be your turn repubs so please some out to play over there
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Obama Open to Creation of Health Cooperatives, DeParle Says
Edwin Chen Edwin Chen Fri Aug 7, 6:00 am ET

Aug. 7 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama may accept nonprofit health-insurance cooperatives in place of a new government-run plan as long as consumers are guaranteed more choice and competition in buying insurance, a top aide said.

"We would be interested in that" if those conditions are met, Nancy-Ann DeParle, director of the White House Office of Health Reform, said in an interview with Bloomberg Television’s "Conversations with Judy Woodruff" airing today.

DeParle said she expected Congress to pass health-care legislation on a bipartisan vote "around Thanksgiving."

Each house of Congress has already missed the president’s deadline of passing a version of health-care legislation by its August recess. Obama says he wants to sign a bill before year’s end.

"It is true that the House and Senate have not voted yet on the floor, but we expect that to be happening when they come back," DeParle said. "We feel like we are in better shape now than we've ever been before, and we're very close to our goal."

The proposal to create a new government-run insurance program is one of the most contentious issues that lawmakers are grappling with as they debate how to extend coverage to tens of millions of people without adding to the deficit. They're also considering whether to mandate that employers offer health insurance to their workers, and how to pay for a plan that may cost $1 trillion over 10 years.

Oppose Public Option

Most Republicans and some Democrats oppose the creation of a so-called public option. And while three House committees have incorporated that approach into legislation, the Senate Finance Committee dropped the Medicare-like plan during bipartisan negotiations between three Democrats and three Republicans on the panel. The six met with Obama at the White House yesterday.

The president has championed a public option even as he’s left himself room to be flexible.

When asked in a June 23 press conference whether his desire for a public plan was non-negotiable, Obama replied:

"We have not drawn lines in the sand other than that reform has to control costs and that it has to provide relief to people who don't have health insurance or are underinsured."

Two weeks later, Rahm Emanuel, the White House chief of staff, told the Wall Street Journal it was more important for health-care legislation to inject competition among insurers than to create a government-run plan.

"The goal is to have a means and a mechanism to keep the private insurers honest," Emanuel said.
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Serving the Northeast - ACORN-East

Serving the Midwest SEIU-Central

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Charles Krauthammer ‘Obamacare’ too complicated to work
Charles Krauthammer is a nationally syndicated columnist.

    In 1986, Ronald Reagan and Bill Bradley created a legislative miracle. They fashioned a tax reform that stripped loopholes, political favors, payoffs, patronage and other corruptions out of the tax system. With the resulting savings, they lowered tax rates across the board. Those reductions, combined with the elimination of the enormous inefficiencies and perverse incentives that go into tax sheltering, helped propel a 20-year economic boom.
    In overhauling any segment of our economy, the 1986 tax reform should be the model. Yet today’s ruling Democrats propose to fix our extremely high quality (but inefficient and therefore expensive) health care system with 1,000 pages of additional curlicued complexity — employer mandates, individual mandates, insurance company mandates, allocation formulas, political payoffs and myriad other conjured regulations and interventions — with the promise that this massive concoction will lower costs.
    This is all quite mad. It creates a Rube Goldberg system that simply multiplies the current inefficiencies and arbitrariness, thus producing staggering deficits with less choice and lower-quality care. That’s why the administration can’t sell Obamacare.
    The administration’s defense is to accuse critics of being for the status quo. Nonsense. Candidate John McCain and a host of other Republicans since have offered alternatives. Let me offer mine: Strip away current inefficiencies before remaking one-sixth of the U.S. economy. The plan is so simple it doesn’t even have the requisite three parts. Just two: radical tort reform and radically severing the link between health insurance and employment.
    (1) Tort reform: As I wrote recently, our crazy system of casino malpractice suits results in massive and random settlements that raise everyone’s insurance premiums and creates an epidemic of defensive medicine that does no medical good, yet costs a fortune.
    An authoritative Massachusetts Medical Society study found that five out of six doctors admitted they order tests, procedures and referrals — amounting to about 25 percent of the total — solely as protection from lawsuits. Defensive medicine, estimates the libertarian/conservative Pacific Research Institute, wastes more than $200 billion a year. Just half that sum could provide a $5,000 health insurance grant — $20,000 for a family of four — to the uninsured poor (U.S. citizens ineligible for other government health assistance).
    What to do? Abolish the entire medicalmalpractice system. Create a new social pool from which people injured in medical errors or accidents can draw. The adjudication would be done by medical experts, not lay juries giving away lottery prizes at the behest of the liquid-tongued John Edwardses who pocket a third of the proceeds.
    The pool would be funded by a relatively small tax on all health-insurance premiums. Socialize the risk; cut out the trial lawyers. Would that immunize doctors from carelessness or negligence? No. The penalty would be losing your medical license. There is no more serious deterrent than forfeiting a decade of intensive medical training and the livelihood that comes with it.
    (2) Real health-insurance reform: Tax employer-provided health care benefi ts and return the money to the employee with a government check to buy his own medical insurance, just as he buys his own car or home insurance.
    There is no logical reason to get health insurance through your employer. This entire system is an accident of World War II wage and price controls. It’s economically senseless. It makes people stay in jobs they hate, decreasing labor mobility and therefore overall productivity. And it needlessly increases the anxiety of losing your job by raising the additional specter of going bankrupt through illness. ............>>>>...........>>>>...............http://www.dailygazette.net/De.....r00700&AppName=1
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Drug industry helping Obama overhaul health care
Nation's drugmakers help Obama in his campaign to remake health care system


By DAVID ESPO, Associated Press
Last updated: 6:25 a.m., Saturday, August 8, 2009

WASHINGTON -- The nation's drugmakers stand ready to spend $150 million to help President Barack Obama overhaul health care this fall, according to numerous officials, a staggering sum that could dwarf attempts to derail Obama's top domestic priority.
     
The White House and allies in Congress are well aware of the effort by Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, a somewhat surprising political alliance, given the drug industry's recent history of siding with Republicans and the Democrats' disdain for special interests.

The campaign, now in its early stages, includes television advertising under PhRMA's own name and commercials aired in conjunction with the liberal group, Families USA.

Numerous people with knowledge of PhRMA's plans said they had been told it would likely reach $150 million and perhaps $200 million. They spoke on condition of anonymity, saying they were not authorized to divulge details.

Additionally, the industry is the major contributor to Healthy Economy Now, which recently completed a $12 million round of advertising nationally and in several states. The ads were made by firms with close ties to Democrats and the White House and generally reflected the administration's changing rhetoric on health care.

In an interview, Ken Johnson, senior vice president of PhRMA, said, "We will have a significant presence over the August recess, both on television and newspapers and on radio, but we have not finalized details for our fall campaign."

Ron Pollack, executive director of Families USA, said the partnership with the deep-pocketed drug industry is one of mutual self-interest, even though the two groups disagree on numerous issues. "We want to achieve coverage for everyone. For PhRMA, this would improve volume for prescription sales because everyone" would have better access to medicine, he said.

Any health care bill that makes it to Obama's desk is expected to extend health insurance to the nearly 50 million who now lack it. That would mean a huge new pool of potential customers for drug companies and other health care providers. That, in turn, has created an incentive to offer concessions to the White House and lawmakers in hopes of shaping the bill, rather than simply opposing it......................................>>>>...................>>>>.............http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=829142
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The drug companies would force we the people to shop at the government drug store and pay whatever prices they charge and the drug industry could give Obama a big campaign contribution come election time. I've learned over the years that if something sounds too good to be true it usually is.
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sorry if some are already posted.............










When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
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The arrogance is what gets me.  They're here to serve, instead it's all about what THEY want.

Why has nobody asked them why they're violating their own rules about publicizing a full bill on the website 5 days before the vote?

Transparency my a**.
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