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Rene
August 30, 2007, 3:25pm Report to Moderator
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Below is a link to an interesting video I received via email.  I am not attesting to the factuality but it does provide some thought provoking subject matter.

http://usawakeup.org/America_Wake_Up.htm
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Well Rene, that was pretty scary because it's so true. If this country doesn't wake up and start defending itself from all the dangers which threaten to destroy us as a nation I'm afraid we're doomed. Just imagine what would have happened if Jimmy Carter was the president when 9/11 happened.
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WOW!!!  so true so true so true........what are we doing?....where are we going?.....what do we believe?......

we is no longer we but, me me me me me.......from the foundation up.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Well that was one informative little 'clip'! And although I believe that the majority of the American citizens feel the same way, our government just seems to have their heads  up their butts concerned about their own political agendas.
And ya know, I have often wondered, and perhaps someone has the answer for me...but how do these polticians breathe when they have their heads up their butts? Huh?


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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That would be farting......


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Regardless of where you stand on the issue of the U.S.
           involvement in Iraq , here is a sobering statistic:
           There has been a monthly average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq
           theatre of operations during the last 22 months, and a total of
           2,867 deaths. That gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000
           soldiers.
           The firearm death rate in Washington D.C. is 80.6 per 100,000
           persons for the same period.
           That means that you are about 25% more likely to be shot and
           killed in the U.S. Capital than you are in Iraq

           Conclusion: The U.S. should pull out of Washington
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Quoted from Shadow
Regardless of where you stand on the issue of the U.S.
           involvement in Iraq , here is a sobering statistic:
           There has been a monthly average of 160,000 troops in the Iraq
           theatre of operations during the last 22 months, and a total of
           2,867 deaths. That gives a firearm death rate of 60 per 100,000
           soldiers.
           The firearm death rate in Washington D.C. is 80.6 per 100,000
           persons for the same period.
           That means that you are about 25% more likely to be shot and
           killed in the U.S. Capital than you are in Iraq

           Conclusion: The U.S. should pull out of Washington


Or.....anyone convicted of killing/raping etc should automatically be sent to Iraq........to relieve the soldiers....



...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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It was 1987!

At a lecture the other day they were playing an old news video of Lt.Col. Oliver North testifying at the Iran-Contra hearings during the Reagan Administration.

There was Ollie in front of God and country getting the third degree, but what he said was stunning!

He was being drilled by a senator; "Did you not recently spend close to $60,000 for a home security system?"

Ollie replied, "Yes, I did, Sir."

The senator continued, trying to get a laugh out of the audience, "Isn't that just a little excessive?"

"No, sir," continued Ollie.

"No? And why not?" the senator asked.

"Because the lives of my family and I were threatened, sir."

"Threatened? By whom?" the senator questioned.

"By a terrorist, sir" Ollie answered.

"Terrorist? What terrorist could possibly scare you that much?"

"His name is Osama bin Laden, sir" Ollie replied.

At this point the senator tried to repeat the name, but couldn't pronounce it, which most people back then probably couldn't. A couple of people laughed at the attempt. Then the senator continued. Why are you so afraid of this man?" the senator asked.

"Because, sir, he is the most evil person alive that I know of", Ollie answered.


"And what do you recommend we do about him?" asked the senator.

"Well, sir, if it was up to me, I would recommend that an assassin team be formed to eliminate him and his men from the face of the earth."

The senator disagreed with this approach, and that was all that was shown of the clip.



By the way, that senator was Al Gore!


Also:
Terrorist pilot Mohammad Atta blew up a bus in Israel in 1986. The Israelis captured, tried and imprisoned him. As part of the Oslo agreement with the Palestinians in 1993, Israel had to agree to release so-called "political prisoners."

However, the Israelis would not release any with blood on their hands. The American President at the time, Bill Clinton, and his Secretary of State, Warren Christopher, "insisted" that all prisoners be released.

Thus Mohammad Atta was freed and eventually thanked the US by flying an airplane into Tower One of the World Trade Center . This was reported by many of the American TV networks at the time that the terrorists were first identified.
It was censored in the US from all later reports.


When the INSANE are running the ASYLUM
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. -- Friedrich Nietzsche


“How fortunate for those in power that people never think.”
Adolph Hitler
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Rene
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We seem to only remember what we want and do that with rose colored glasses.  I wonder where we are headed.....it doesn't bode well for us thats for sure.  Maybe the next terrorist attack in this country will make people notice for more than 20 minutes.  Nah, probably not.
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That's one of the big problems with a number of people in this country, they have very short memory's. Unfortunately Rene, I too believe that this country will be hit again and you'll hear such a cry from the people who want us to just come home and leave the terrorists alone complaining that the government didn't protect them.
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Rene
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Exactly.  Just leave the terrorists alone, yeah right and what?  Then we have world peace?  Give me a break!!!
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Aren't we all supposed to hold hands and sing now??

not forgetting is one thing but, irrational fear is another.....especially when fear is used to sway and move the massess.....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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Katie and George’s Iraq publicity tour
Susan Estrich
Susan Estrich is a nationally syndicated columnist.

   I can only wonder what all the people who were criticizing Katie Couric last week for what they called a stunt to boost ratings are saying now that President Bush did his own Labor Day cameo in Iraq. Of course, his trip had nothing to do with ratings, right? Wrong. And as for the burden on the military, protecting a president is easier than protecting a celebrity anchor, right? Wrong. When a privately employed news anchor goes to Iraq to report, the primary responsibility for protecting her falls on her employers and the security types they employ. When the president, the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of State show up, it’s the military’s job to make sure nothing goes wrong, which has to mean deploying forces to protect them when those troops might otherwise be doing something that was actually useful for the war effort.
   The president’s reason to go to Iraq was entirely theatrical. He could have had the same conversations by phone. A few hours isn’t enough to actually see, do or accomplish anything except create images for television consumption. Which is precisely what the president did, with a little help from the much-criticized Ms. Couric.
   It worked because how could it not? Every newspaper in the country is sporting front-page pictures of the president and headlines of him hinting that troop withdrawals are possible in the future. That is, of course, what the majority of the country wants. But while the public wants troop reductions because we’ve come to recognize that this is a war we can’t win or, to put it another way, a war we’re losing the president suggested that it was the product of our success. He was there to declare victory, not acknowledge defeat. Talk about turning the world upside down.
   How do you turn defeat into victory? This is how: You go to a remote air base in a province where security has improved slightly and ignore the violence everywhere else. You don’t mention that it’s a lot easier to get the losers in a civil war (the Sunnis in Anbar, which is where the president went) to cooperate than it is to convince the winners, the Shiites, who control most of the country. You talk about killings being down instead of the number of Iraqis fleeing for their lives being up. You talk about prospects for peace between Sunnis and Shiites instead of the fact that in addition to Sunni-Shiite violence, we now have an increasing number of incidents of Shiites killing each other. And perhaps most important since everyone acknowledges that there is no military solution to the problem in Iraq without political progress, and not a single benchmark for political progress has been met, and the Iraqi legislature has spent almost as much time on vacation as George Bush, and not a single piece of legislation that they were supposed to enact and expected to enact has in fact been enacted you turn legislating into a game of horseshoes, where close is good enough.
   Of course, legislation is not horseshoes. You pass a bill or you don’t. It’s the law or it isn’t. The president didn’t win on immigration reform because he almost won he lost. Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki’s comments notwithstanding, making progress on legislation is essentially a meaningless concept (particularly for people on vacation). They didn’t pass anything. It doesn’t really matter if you fail by a little or a lot if you’ve failed completely. Turning benchmarks into mini-benchmarks, when they weren’t very big to begin with, doesn’t make lemons into lemonade.
   Secret trips are always great drama for the press. The president sneaks out a side door. The reporters are sworn to secrecy. Everybody gets to be part of a great adventure. But when it’s over, what have you accomplished? If I had to guess, Bush’s star turn in Iraq may help Katie’s ratings more than his own. And it leaves Katie’s critics without a leg to stand on.  


  
  
  
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Who cares about Katie---poor poor Katie----she has a nice smile---wow....


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


STOP BEING GOOD DEMOCRATS---STOP BEING GOOD REPUBLICANS--START BEING GOOD AMERICANS

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She's smiling all the way to the bank.
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