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I agree,,,,,I ask where are the men to say 'no to sex',,,,, 'no, I am the dad and I will take care of the baby',,,,,, 'no, son make sure you are ready to take care of someone else other than yourself',,,,,, 'no, son dont just believe the woman has taken her birthcontrol',,,,, 'no, son you have no right to touch a woman just on the tip of a hormone', etc etc.......

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I ask where are the women to say'no to sex',,,,,,, 'no, I am the mother and I will take care of the baby',,,,,,, 'no, daughter make sure you are ready to take care of someone else other than yourself',,,,,,, 'no, daughter dont listen to him and you can choose no sex',,,,,, 'no, daughter you have no right to tease/touch a man just on the tip of a hormone', etc etc....

I guess 'planned parenthood' is still an oxymoron and again the surgical portion of the 'choice' by both parties is still in the womans uterus.....?????


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Planned Parenthood reduces need for abortions  
First published: Tuesday, September 18, 2007

Your layout of the Sept. 6 Capital Region section, Page D1, was very interesting. At the bottom left was coverage of a woman fighting a rally protesting the operation of the Mohawk Hudson Planned Parenthood facility, specifically its approval to end the development of an unwanted child.
  
As usual, the protesters ignored the fact that Planned Parenthood can reduce unwanted pregnancies and thereby reduce the need for abortions.

Particularly, the woman objected to the protesters' display of pictures of aborted fetuses designed to make abortions appear repugnant.

At the bottom right was coverage of a couple who abandoned their three children while out looking for drugs. The children were found in squalid conditions. This is frequently what happens with unwanted children. Fortunately, these three were found and brought to better conditions before they could grow up with drug habits like their parents, leading to a life of violence and crime and, eventually, time in jail, where the public has to support their unwanted lives.

Are the anti-abortionists ready to support all the unwanted babies, many of whom are born with drug addictions? Where are the pictures of the squalid conditions experienced by these children because the abortion opponents would not let their parents terminate the pregnancy or get instructions on how to avoid it in the first place?

At a time when overpopulation is of concern, the anti-abortionists would not let us control unwanted births. Every unwanted child (as well as every wanted one) contributes to global warming. Obviously the abortion opponents have little concern for our future.

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Advocacy of abortion as lifesaver stuns mother  
First published: Thursday, September 27, 2007

Is Greg Pittz serious (letter, Sept. 17)? He actually believes abortions save lives? I sat amazed at the absurdity of that statement. He states the number of deaths while giving birth is up. So his logic is to abort just in case you might die during childbirth, because that would save a life?
He assumes that abortion opponents and church groups give no aid to disadvantaged mothers contemplating abortion. Does he live under a rock? There are hundreds of religious and nonreligious organizations that provide free services for these women.
  
My sister counsels and financially helps women in this dilemma. I know a thing or two about pregnancy and childbirth; I've been there and done that twice. I know what it's like to feel a living being move inside of me, and before I could feel it I saw it on an ultrasound 10 weeks into my pregnancy.

I saw with my own eyes the beating of that tiny heart. Why would "Upset Mom" be so upset at pictures of aborted babies being shown at anti-abortion protests? Is reality too much to bear or is it hard to argue your point when the truth is staring you in the face?

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Study: Abortions are just as common where they are illegal
The Associated Press

   LONDON — Women are just as likely to get an abortion in countries where it is outlawed as they are in countries where it is legal, according to research published today.
   In a study examining abortion trends from 1995 to 2003, experts also found that abortion rates are virtually equal in rich and poor countries and that half of all abortions worldwide are unsafe.
   The study was done by Gilda Sedgh of the Guttmacher Institute in the United States and colleagues from the World Health Organization. It was published in an edition of The Lancet medical journal devoted to maternal health.
   “The legal status of abortion has never dissuaded women and couples who, for whatever reason, seek to end pregnancy,” Beth Fredrick of the International Women’s Health Coalition in the U.S. said in an accompanying commentary.
   Abortion accounts for 13 percent of maternal mortality worldwide. About 70,000 women die every year from unsafe abortions. An additional 5 million women suffer permanent or temporary injury.
   “The continuing high incidence of unsafe abortion in developing countries represents a public health crisis and a human rights atrocity,” Fredrick wrote.
   The number of worldwide abortions has dipped from about 46 million in 1995 to just less than 42 million in 2003.
   But there was no change in the rate of unsafe abortions; nearly half of the procedures are still performed illegally in potentially dangerous conditions.
   “The only way to decrease unsafe abortion is to increase contraception,” said Sharon Camp, president and chief executive officer of the Guttmacher Institute.
   Camp said that more countries are allowing women to have abortions legally, but many women only receive medical attention after a procedure has gone wrong.
   “I don’t think women should have to hurt themselves before they get medical treatment,” she said.
   The vast majority of abortions — 35 million — were in the developing world. Nearly 97 percent of all unsafe abortions were in poor countries.
   Worldwide, one in five pregnancies ends in abortion, and nine out of 10 women will have an abortion before age 45.
   The study defined unsafe abortions as those performed either by people lacking the necessary skills or in an environment that does not conform to minimum medical standards.
   In eastern Europe, there are more abortions than live births: 105 abortions for every 100 live births, the research found. In Western Europe, there are 23 abortions for every 100 live births.
   In North America, there are 33 abortions for every 100 live births, while in Africa, where abortion is illegal in most countries, there are 17 abortions for every 100 live births.
   Improving women’s health, experts said, means improving access to safe abortions. Some experts criticized the restrictions that often come with donor money. Funds from the U.S. government, for example, cannot be used for any health services associated with abortion.
   Because providing safe abortions depends on a working health care system, experts said tackling the problem is difficult.  



  
  
  

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Study: Abortions are just as common where they are illegal


DUH.....like it is documented 1000's of years.....and what about the child sacrifices of pagan religions......it shouldn't be legal or illegal.....you should have to find a DR. to perform it, just like you have to find the best cancer specialist in the country (they dont all live in our neighborhoods)

If you think the baby will be a 'tradgedy' like cancer then go find someone to take care of it......your body your choice.....but a DR should not be MADE to perform abortions, just because some moron thinks they need the law to back them up.....I say get off your a** and do some research and find your own DR........maybe next time you will be a little more choosey when feelin' all lovey......


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That would require some thinking on the girls part and I'm not sure that some of the girls have the tools to do it with.


Well here is another perspective-

Any Male getting a woman pregnant would  get arrested and put in father/husband  camp and get orientation on how and what it takes to be a father and husband.  He is then released to find work to support his family.
If he cant follow the program put him back in jail so he doesnt get anyone else pregnant-


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It sounds like a good idea to me.
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Somebody, I whole heartedly agree with you, HOWEVER, the female still is first and foremost the one who has the control. Now I'm not talking about rape, I'm talking about consentual sex, plain and simple. The female just has to say 'NO'. Sex just can't happen with the word and follow through of the said word 'NO'. And yet I do agree with you, where the male needs to take more responsibility, and that they also need to take some responsibility for their actions, our society just doesn't look at it that way. So instead, the female has all of the control and can just abort if necessary. Actually, after the women's movement, the guys pretty much get off scott free. So they get a girl pregnant, big deal. She can just abort.

And honestly, in this day and age, with every kind of birth control known to man available, you would think that there would be no need for abortions. I guess you can provide services but ya just can't give them brains and common sense.


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My last girlfriend is a Chemical engineer ( BS-MS-MBA- bla bla bla ) Sold her Cessna 172 to buy a house by the beach in SoCal. Rides a motorcycle, drives a company car and doesnt need a ride home from the airport.

She gave me a different perspective regarding who has the right  and responsability to do what-
The woman has the " final " say.  But if you drive someone to the bank and they rob and kill- well, the driver gets charged for murder too-

So- Im just being clear on a more equal responsability part of  being an accessory to the pregnancy/abortion.- really


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Well if equality is what we are talking about here, than I think the words SELF CONTROL may be in order here. How about a little self control over our body parts? There are consequences and responsibilites that come with ALL of our actions. In this case, birth control pill, condoms and abortion give people the OKAY to not use self control of their body parts. In fact it supports no self control at all!!


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Time to get rid of global gag rule on contraception
CHRISTINA GLEASON Clifton Park

   The global gag rule blocks women’s access to family-planning services that prevent maternal and child deaths, unintended pregnancies, unsafe abortions, the spread of HIV/AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases.
   As part of the annual foreign aid bill, the Senate passed a full repeal of the gag rule; the House passed a partial repeal; and now the Senate and the House have worked out a compromise to send to the president.
   I support a full repeal of the global gag rule [aka Mexico City policy].
   In a blatant display of hypocrisy, the president and his anti-choice allies who support the global gag rule are blocking women’s access to the very contraception that is the best way to prevent unintended pregnancy and therefore reduce the need for abortion.
   Even though President Bush has threatened to veto any bill with any pro-choice provision (including the gag rule repeal), Congress needs to send the president the bill and force him to choose between improving women’s health and bowing to pressure from anti-choice groups.  



  
  
  
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unintended pregnancies
This must be the new politically correct phrase now. Instead of 'unwanted pregnancies' it is now 'unintended pregnancies'. I guess that saying 'I didn't want this pregnancy' didn't sound as pleasing to the ear as 'I didn't intend on this pregnancy'. Well if you didn't intend on getting pregnant, than perhps one should INTEND on not having sex.


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The best part is when folks say: "I dont know how it happened".....guess they didn't even have friends, even the 'basics' get to everyones ears...especially in public schools...not to mention the pregnant teen in class sitting next to you.....ask for knowledge and ye shall receive.....


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Go back to old way of thinking on abortion

   A recent study by Gilda Sedgh of the Guttmacher Institute (the research arm of Planned Parenthood) and others from the World Health Organization was reported in the Oct. 12 Gazette article, “Study: Abortions are just as common where they are illegal.”
   The report noted that 20 percent of all pregnancies end in abortion worldwide. Even more alarming was the statement that before the age of 45, nine out of 10 women will have an abortion.
   In the debate over the issue of abortion, it is instructive to see what our feminist “foremothers” said about abortion. In a letter to [American abolitionist, social activist, and poet] Julia Ward, dated Oct. 16, 1878, Elizabeth Cady Stanton wrote: “When we consider that women are treated as property, it is degrading to women that we should treat our children as property to be disposed of as we see fit.”
   Nine years earlier in July 1869, Susan B. Anthony, wrote: “I deplore the horrible crime of child murder ... No matter what the motive, love of ease or a desire to save from suffering the unborn innocent, the woman is awfully guilty who commits the deed ... but oh!, thrice guilty is he who drove her to the desperation which impelled her to the crime.”
   In 1868 [Native American activist, suffragist and abolitionist] Matilda [Electa Joslyn] Gage wrote with similar passion: “The subject lies deeper down into woman’s wrongs than any other ... the crime of abortion is not one in which the guilt lies solely or even chiefly with the woman ... I hesitate to assert that most of this crime of “child murder,” “abortion,” “infanticide,” lies at the door of the male sex.”
   In an article written in 1990, Gloria V. Hefferan, M.D., described abortion as “the ultimate exploitation of women.” Dr. Heffernan said, “It is no surprise that Playboy Foundation money competes with Rockefeller Foundation money to promote the concept of permissive abortion. The rich man’s solution has become the puerile man’s solution and the last vestige of responsibility and commitment has disappeared.”
   Since Roe vs. Wade there has been a paradigm shift in the way Americans view abortion. In a 1963 pamphlet published by Planned Parenthood, now the leading abortion provider in the United States, women were told that “an abortion kills a baby after it has begun. It is dangerous to your life and health. It may make you sterile so that when you want a child you cannot have it.”
   Isn’t it time to listen to our “foremothers”? Time to stop the abuse against women and their unborn children? Time to stop the lies about what choice really means? Time to de-fund Planned Parenthood, that receives millions of our tax dollars annually and promotes and delivers abortion on demand?
   ROSEMARY T. REID
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The 'foremothers' reverenced life. It was considered a sacred blessing. Today it is an inconvenience.


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