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ONCE A TAX-----ALWAYS A TAX......

SHAME SHAME SHAME.....spreading fear of no ride to the hospital for the elderly blah blah blah......shame shame shame.....

every upright businessman in this town should pull up their bootstraps and support private ambulance service.....I mean really now
isn't that what ya'll strive for?????


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ONCE A TAX-----ALWAYS A TAX......

SHAME SHAME SHAME.....spreading fear of no ride to the hospital for the elderly blah blah blah......shame shame shame.....

every upright businessman in this town should pull up their bootstraps and support private ambulance service.....I mean really now
isn't that what ya'll strive for?????
No one should have to pay for an ambulance service except for the people who USE it. Simple as that!



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REMS must show competence before getting contract

BY CAROLINA M. LAZZARI For The Sunday Gazette

    In February, the Rotterdam Town Board rejected Mohawk Ambulance Services’ proposal to provide emergency services to Rotterdam residents — a proposal that provided $70,000 to $80,000 annual income to the town, and guaranteed all Rotterdam Emergency Services employees jobs with Mohawk.
    Instead, the town agreed to pay REMS $10,000 a month (less its fuel costs) through December, with the goal of aiding it in establishing a taxing district in later years. As part of its agreement, REMS agreed to provide monthly reports detailing billing, receivables, collection and so forth, and also to provide its most recent financial statement upon advance notice.
    At the time, I was confident that the town would never back a taxing district. The board had obtained a highly critical audit of REMS for the nine-month period ended that Sept. 30, 2008 and, given the fi duciary responsibility of the town to supervise REMS financial management over 2009, it would be obvious that trusting REMS to tax and manage taxpayer funds independently would be a mistake.
    Instead, the town ordered Chazen Company, an engineering fi rm, to map, plan and report on an ambulance service district, and now plans to establish this month, by simple majority vote of the town board, a permanent taxing entity that can only be dissolved by townwide referendum.
    At best, the Chazen report glosses over REMS history of fi scal mismanagement and enormous debt; at worst, it completely disregards issues identified in the audit.
AUDIT FINDINGS
Among the independent auditor’s findings: “General ledger accounts ...................>>>>.........................>>>>.............................http://www.dailygazette.net/De.....1&Continuation=1
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How about putting this matter up for a referendum this November and let the taxpayers decide what they want to do after all they're the ones who will have to pay for it. The town has given a lot of work to the engineering firms so why should we think that this report is an unbiased one?
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Funny, but at the last town board meeting, they said that the next town board meeting on 9/9/09 was when they were going to have a public hearing and vote on the rems tax district issue. It now appears that they moved that date to 8/23/09 AFTER the primary!
hmmmm.........
Whoever votes in favor of this tax district....or whoever supports it....is clearly in favor or raising taxes....plain and simple.



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255.09 Call for a public hearing to be held on Wednesday, September 23, 2009 at 7:00 p.m. at
the John F. Kirvin Government Center, Town Hall, 1100 Sunrise Boulevard,
Rotterdam, New York 12306 for the following purpose:

For the establishment of Ambulance Service District No. 1 in the Town
of Rotterdam, County of Schenectady, State of New York, pursuant to
Article 12A of the Town Law of the State of New York.


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I was just reading this again and again on the Rotterdam website and something is confusing me.  If this is a town law, why is it pursuant to an article of the town law, but that town law is of the state of New York, shouldn't that town law be the town law of the town of Rotterdam?  Maybe I'm just caught up in the legalese.


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This opinion represents the views of the Office of the State Comptroller at the time it was rendered. The opinion may no longer represent those views if, among other things, there have been subsequent court cases or statutory amendments that bear on the issues discussed in the opinion.



IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS -- Establishment (filing town special district final orders with State Comptroller)
STATE COMPTROLLER -- Powers and Duties (filing town special district final orders)TOWN CLERK -- Powers and Duties (filing town special district final orders with State Comptroller)
TOWN LAW, §§194, 195, 209-f, 209-g: A town clerk must cause to be filed with the State Comptroller a certified copy of each determination or order establishing or extending a district pursuant to articles 12 or 12-A of the Town Law, irrespective of whether the establishment or extension is subject to prior approval of the State Comptroller.


You ask whether a resolution approving the establishment or extension of a town special district under Town Law, article 12 is required to be filed with the Office of the State Comptroller, pursuant to Town Law, §194(3), even though prior approval of the establishment or extension by the State Comptroller is not required. You also ask whether such a filing is required for districts established pursuant to article 12-A of the Town Law.

Article 12 of the Town Law (§190 et seq.) contains provisions relative to the establishment and extension of town improvement districts upon petition. Section 194(1) of the Town Law provides, with respect to districts established or extended pursuant to article 12, that, after a public hearing, the town board must determine by resolution: (a) whether the petition is signed and acknowledged or proved as required by law and is otherwise sufficient; (b) whether all the property and property owners within the proposed district or extension are benefited thereby; (c) whether all the property and property owners benefited are included within the limits of the proposed district or extension; and (d) whether it is in the public interest to grant in whole or in part the relief sought. If the board determines in the affirmative on all of the above questions, the town board, pursuant to Town Law, §194(2)(b), may adopt a resolution approving the establishment or extension of the district. Subdivision 3 of section 194 provides that the town clerk "shall file a certified copy of such resolution, in duplicate, in the office of the state department of audit and control ... together with an application, in duplicate, for permission [of the State Comptroller] to create or extend such district ...". Although, on its face, subdivision 3 may appear to require an application to the State Comptroller in every case, not all establishments or extensions of districts require the prior permission of the State Comptroller. In this regard, subdivision 3 must be read together with subdivision 6 of section 194.

Subdivision 6 of section 194 provides, with certain exceptions, that permission of the State Comptroller is not required for the establishment or extension of a district unless: (1) it is proposed that the town will finance the cost thereof by the issuance of bonds, notes or other evidences of indebtedness (or, in certain instances, debt service will be assumed); and (2) if the State Comptroller has computed average estimated costs for similar types of districts, the cost of district or extension to the typical property (or, if different, the costs to the typical one or two family home), as stated in the notice of public hearing, is above the average estimated cost to typical properties or homes for that type of district.(1) If the State Comptroller's approval is required and is granted, a further order establishing or extending the district is then adopted by the town board (Town Law, §194[5]). If the State Comptroller's approval is not required, no additional town board resolution or order is required to approve the establishment or extension beyond the resolution adopted pursuant to Town Law, §194(2).

Thus, if a district or extension does not fall within the criteria set forth in subdivision 6 of section 194, a certified copy of the section 194(2) resolution approving the establishment or extension is not required to be submitted to the State Comptroller as part of an application for approval pursuant to Town Law, §194(3). A certified copy of that resolution, nonetheless, is required to be filed with the State Comptroller pursuant to Town Law, §195(1). Section 195(1) requires the town clerk to cause a certified copy of the determination of the town board adopted pursuant to section 194(2), or the order of the town board adopted pursuant to section 194(5), to be filed with the Office of the State Comptroller. This requirement for filing with the State Comptroller is for informational purposes and is applicable irrespective of whether the State Comptroller's permission is required for the establishment or extension (10 Opns St Comp, 1954, p 181).

Article 12-A (§209 et seq.) contains provisions analogous to those in article 12, relative to the establishment and extension of town improvement districts upon town board motion, subject to permissive referendum. A similar requirement for filing with the State Comptroller pertains to final orders establishing or extending districts pursuant to article 12-A, whether or not prior permission of State Comptroller is required (Town Law, §§209-f[2], 209-g[1]).(2)

Accordingly, a town clerk must cause to be filed with the State Comptroller a certified copy of each determination or order establishing or extending a district pursuant to articles 12 or 12-A of the Town Law, irrespective of whether the establishment or extension is subject to prior approval of the State Comptroller.

February 28, 2000
Norman W. Seiter, Jr., Esq., Town Attorney
Town of Scriba



1. The State Comptroller is required to provide annually to towns notice of the average cost thresholds as may be computed in accordance with section 194 (Town Law, §§194[6]; 209-f[1]). When permission of the State Comptroller is not required for the establishment or extension of a district for which the issuance of bonds or notes is proposed because the cost to the typical property or one or two family home is not above the average cost threshold, a certified copy of the town board's order calling the public hearing must be filed with the State Comptroller on or about the date of publication (Town Law, §§193[1][b][1]; 209-d[2]). It should be noted that if indebtedness is proposed, but the State Comptroller has not established an average estimated cost threshold for the particular type of district, then approval of the State Comptroller is required.

2. Note that Town Law, §§195(1) and 209-g(1) also require that the town board's determination or order be recorded in the office of the county clerk. When so recorded, the determination or order is presumptive evidence of the regularity of the proceedings for establishment or extension and of all other actions taken by the board in relation thereto.




this isn't our town....but apparently 12A refers to the directions/procedures set forth by NYS as to how to establish a new taxing
district.....look at the folks who have duties to perform.....before or after election time?????


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REMS serving Rotterdam and Princetown-----anyone know about equalization rate for this?????


...you are a product of your environment, your environment is a product of your priorities, your priorities are a product of you......

The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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It should be put up for a referendum! IMHO


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I agree, if it creates a tax district it should be voted on in a referendum. Even when a sewer district is formed which raises taxes for the people in the serer district they have to approve it as well. I think that the town board knows that if it were put up as a referendum it would be voted down.  
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ROTTERDAM
Town residents will get chance to decide on ambulance district

BY JUSTIN MASON Gazette Reporter

    Residents will have the final say in whether the town establishes an ambulance district to support the Rotterdam Emergency Medical Services Inc.
    In a departure from previous plans, town officials announced the proposed tax district will be decided by a referendum vote sometime after a public hearing is conducted later this month. Supervisor Steve Tommasone said the decision to have a referendum was reached in an effort to advance the issue and after it became apparent that residents would likely petition for a vote anyway.
    “The issue is to not delay [a decision] any further,” he said during the board meeting Wednesday.
    Previously, members of the Town Board indicated the issue would be decided through a permissive referendum, which would create the district if it were approved by a majority vote of board members. Residents could then petition to overturn the board decision in favor of a referendum vote.
    But there was a groundswell of opposition to leaving the decision to a permissive referendum. Some argued that an issue that affects all property owners in town shouldn’t be decided solely on the opinion of the five-member board.
    “This kind of decision shouldn’t be left to five people,” said Brian McGarry, a member of the No New Tax.............>>>>...................>>>>..............http://www.dailygazette.net/De.....1&Continuation=1
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Good political move cause it this town board passed this proposal....it just may have been political suicide. Funny how suhrada changed his tune.

Now they can go and p/u their election 'save rems' signs from around town. (tommasone, signore, suhrada, marchenkowski) Let us all not forget that these 4 guys are in favor of raising taxes. And supporting a tax district for rems is clearly proof of that!!!!! Don't be fooled by this $16.50/year/household. Do the math people!  IMHO


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Some on the town board changed their minds because of the large opposition to the tax district in an election year that looks like some candidates are going to win by a small margin and this issue could change the results of the election.
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I would like to know how REMS that 'serves Rotterdam and Princetown' would get $$ from Princetown?????? would we charge them,
no longer serve them, equalize them in?????


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The replacement of morality and conscience with law produces a deadly paradox.


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So John.....tell us why aren't you lobbying against the fire departments also....you pay taxes for them yet I'm sure you haven't used them for your big
house up on Meghan Blvd.....Same principle right, yet you have made no mention against that in your tenure in office....I'm sure that you pay more in fire taxes then you would for an ambulance tax......
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